Bill Brasky Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I think technically it is one of the better games to show off the JAguars ability but the game is hardly exciting. BattleSphere is easily the most bang for your buck all around. I had high hopes and hearing the lies that it was like Galaxian 3d is just ridiculous. An insult to a great classic and hardly worthy of that praise. IT was an ok game but hardly the best on the system. I was disappointed and felt ripped off quite actually. In Zero 5's defense I would like to point out or remind people that this was another case of a beta release. There was an interview with one of the programmers and he stated that it took them completely by suprise when Telegames released it, as they had never gotten payed by Atari and never sent the final version that was much more tweeked and polished gameplay wise. But it's not suprising with Atari Corp. they did it with World Tour Racing, Supercross 3D, Fight for Life, that I know of for sure, and then there are obviously a few other titles in the Jaguars library that ones suspects to not be quite done. But it's not just telegames releases, as all the other by them seem to be true final releases, and then you have to look at other post atari releases that are also betas and not quite complete to varying degrees. It would not suprise me in the least if it was a planned, common practice for Atari to release beta's instead of paying the developers and getting the final versions. Even Rebellion said they never got payed the final amount they were owed from Alien vs. Predator, though in that case Rebellion unwittingly gave Atari the final version before getting payed. similiar stories run rampant among Jaguar developers. It would be sweet if some of the TRUE final versions ever started showing up...from the hands of these developers, lost on some hard drive somewhere... "payed" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_ Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 As in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 "payed" ? Spelling flames suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) "payed" ? Spelling flames suck. lol, spelling flames are the worst unless you truely can't unserdant what soemeon is trying to say There are a few discrepancies in the information provided tho: Gunstar: as they had never gotten payed by Atari and never sent the final version that was much more tweeked and polished gameplay wise. Programmer: We then spent about a month waiting to be paid for the beta, fixing a few small bugs, and trying to tie up a publishing deal I don't think you could consider "a few small bugs" heavy tweek and polishing... it sounds alot like Atari claimed the game was unfinished to avoid payment, while Caspian considered the game complete. I would consider it more or less a complete game unless someone has additional info. Plus, the interview left it unclear as to whether or not Atari received the very final beta with the minor bug-fixes (they may have?), it just said the company never got paid for it. Edited March 28, 2007 by Willard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 It was not totaly but certainly unpolished in some areas. im suer the developers would have tweaked things a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 In what areas do you consider Z5 to be unpolished, Gorf? I found it to be one of the most all-around well-polished Jaguar games ever released. And it's not really that hard, once you realize that it's a game of *memorization*, not reflexes. This old fart has played the entire game from start to finish on one life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip_Cannon Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I cant post a movie here it seems or I'd show you all what a REAL Galaxian 3D should look like on your Jaguar. Is it Glaxian 3? Perhaps Youtube can help your cause? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3CHsSosG8...ted&search= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 It was not totaly but certainly unpolished in some areas. im suer the developers would have tweaked things a bit more. In what areas do you consider Z5 to be unpolished, Gorf? I found it to be one of the most all-around well-polished Jaguar games ever released. I haven't noticed any particularly unpolished areas in the game either... care to elaborate? If you mean the VERY minor polygon glitches, the programmer did explain why they are present: Programmer: Z-sorting does mean there's a few polygon glitches, but at least it's not running at 5fps =) As for the game not being exactly like Galaxian, I think a few general Galaxian-like ideas are present in Zero5 (enemies that move in patterns), but they are VERY different games and shouldn't really be compared (especially since Zero5 isn't called Galaxian 3D). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 what needs polishing? i just got the game today and i love it, cant wait to play more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 In what areas do you consider Z5 to be unpolished, Gorf? I found it to be one of the most all-around well-polished Jaguar games ever released. And it's not really that hard, once you realize that it's a game of *memorization*, not reflexes. This old fart has played the entire game from start to finish on one life. Hmmmm...how do I explain this....it was like a good musical riff that did not resolve. I really dont like the camera view at all. The control is not as good as it could be. It's not horid but it's not as good as it could have been. A bit on the sensitive side for my liking. Especially in that cockpit mission. Sorry guys just dont LOVE it. Dont hate it but dont love it either. But , hey to each his own. Just my $0.02 is all. I was expectring something else. I can't tell you how many times I heard it be touted as a Galaxian 3D. that is what I would have liked. again, the game is decent and I like the concept, but I would have done a few things differently. Again..just an opinion. On techinque it certainly gets serious high marks. No issue there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzLee Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I cant post a movie here it seems or I'd show you all what a REAL Galaxian 3D should look like on your Jaguar. Is it Glaxian 3? Perhaps Youtube can help your cause? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3CHsSosG8...ted&search= Hey, I have that game on my PS1.. I forgot all about it. I could never finish off the final fight scene though. Tough game. It uses the PS1 mouse. -Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I cant post a movie here it seems or I'd show you all what a REAL Galaxian 3D should look like on your Jaguar. Is it Glaxian 3? Perhaps Youtube can help your cause? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3CHsSosG8...ted&search= No that is not it at all. That is Star Wars with another name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyBuddies Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Gorf: Hey, I want to sign the petition to get the remaining Telegames Jaguar titles released by Telegames. Where/How can I sign this petition? How many signatures do you have? Have you given the petition to TG yet? Yikes dude! I would not even know where that is anymore... Is this it ? the remaining telegames are lost forever, they will not be released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_ Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 No that is not it at all. That is Star Wars with another name. Are you talking about something you´ve done yourself then, Steve? A demo of what Galaxian 3D could look like on the old Jag created by you? The transition from Gorf 3D to Galaxian 3D might not be that hard or different. I seem to remember trying out something like a freeware 3D Galaxian game a couple of years back. Can´t for the life of me remember what it was called though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 The control is not as good as it could be. It's not horid but it's not as good as it could have been. A bit on the sensitive side for my liking. This has got to be the first time I've heard anyone complaining about the controls in a fast-paced twitch shooter being too sensitive. Sounds like you should stick to more sedate shooters. Like "Gorf", perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxsolo2000 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 The control is not as good as it could be. It's not horid but it's not as good as it could have been. A bit on the sensitive side for my liking. This has got to be the first time I've heard anyone complaining about the controls in a fast-paced twitch shooter being too sensitive. Sounds like you should stick to more sedate shooters. Like "Gorf", perhaps. It aint the first time we've heard you try and put down someone either ZB. I dont particulary love it either but I guess in your book no one is entitled to have an opinion different to your own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) The control is not as good as it could be. It's not horid but it's not as good as it could have been. A bit on the sensitive side for my liking. This has got to be the first time I've heard anyone complaining about the controls in a fast-paced twitch shooter being too sensitive. Sounds like you should stick to more sedate shooters. Like "Gorf", perhaps. It aint the first time we've heard you try and put down someone either ZB. I dont particulary love it either but I guess in your book no one is entitled to have an opinion different to your own Glad you took that one.... Edited March 30, 2007 by Gorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Sounds like you should stick to more sedate shooters. Like "Gorf", perhaps. Sedate gamer that I am, I vastly prefer GORF to Zero 5. IMHO it's the superior game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) It aint the first time we've heard you try and put down someone either ZB. I dont particulary love it either but I guess in your book no one is entitled to have an opinion different to your own Sedate gamer that I am, I vastly prefer GORF to Zero 5. IMHO it's the superior game. What are you guys talking about? ZB is just pointing out that if you don't like twitch shooters you won't like Zero5. There's no reason to rip on aspects of a "twitch shooter" (as Gorf is) if you don't like the type of game. In Gorf's defense, the controls AREN'T ideal, it's very difficult to keep the ship from occasionally tilting, and when the ship tilts, it's a pain in the ass to even handle/level it again when you're taking heavy fire (I have to use a smart bomb on these occasions to buy some time). And comparing Zero5 to unrelated games is not helpful either: BattleSphere is easily the most bang for your buck all around. Battlesphere is an entirely different type of game. Just because you like Doom doesn't mean you'll like Quake 3 Arena. They share the same perspective.etc, but the gameplay elements differ. Likewise for Gorf.etc, they're different types of games and shouldn't be compared to Zero5. The point is, if someone's looking for a twitch shooter, and they read "Zero5 sux, it's not as good as a BS, Gorf.etc," they might write it off as a bad game, when the ppl reviewing it are bias to begin with, and are making random and unrelated comparisons. Edited March 30, 2007 by Willard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) Sounds like you should stick to more sedate shooters. Like "Gorf", perhaps. Sedate gamer that I am, I vastly prefer GORF to Zero 5. IMHO it's the superior game. Nyah! ...hey...it even has two more missions that Z5. I praise Gorf, not as my game but as a great classic game. I was glad to put forth that effort, regardless of all the moopoo associated with it. I hardly think i would call it sedate either. See...Z5 is too insane in an unreasonable manner. Hey ZB, I'll remember to add a real frantic level in our next shooter for you. The 3d space game formerly know as Gorf. I'll show you sedate!!! (tounge firmly in cheek) Edited March 30, 2007 by Gorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 By the way ZB...did you try 'Surrounded!' demo? That may be a little more your liking. Then again maybe not. I really need to get to that game. Oh so many projects...so little time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 It aint the first time we've heard you try and put down someone either ZB. I dont particulary love it either but I guess in your book no one is entitled to have an opinion different to your own Sedate gamer that I am, I vastly prefer GORF to Zero 5. IMHO it's the superior game. What are you guys talking about? ZB is just pointing out that if you don't like twitch shooters you won't like Zero5. There's no reason to rip on aspects of a "twitch shooter" (as Gorf is) if you don't like the type of game. In Gorf's defense, the controls AREN'T ideal, it's very difficult to keep the ship from occasionally tilting, and when the ship tilts, it's a pain in the ass to even handle/level it again when you're taking heavy fire (I have to use a smart bomb on these occasions to buy some time). And comparing Zero5 to unrelated games is not helpful either: BattleSphere is easily the most bang for your buck all around. Battlesphere is an entirely different type of game. Just because you like Doom doesn't mean you'll like Quake 3 Arena. They share the same perspective.etc, but the gameplay elements differ. Likewise for Gorf.etc, they're different types of games and shouldn't be compared to Zero5. The point is, if someone's looking for a twitch shooter, and they read "Zero5 sux, it's not as good as a BS, Gorf.etc," they might write it off as a bad game, when the ppl reviewing it are bias to begin with, and are making random and unrelated comparisons. I said I was disappointed, not that it sux. In fact I dont think it sucks at all. I just have a hard time controlling the ship at times like you pointed out. Aint no thang. I love the game's speed and I love the graphics and even the concept. I just think it has some room for improvement. it has some rushed looking elements is all. Hey, Gorf classic has a few bugs..shit happens. All things considered it is certainly one of the better produced titles out there. I hope I did not come across other wise. hehe..too honest for my own good sometimes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Sedate gamer that I am, I vastly prefer GORF to Zero 5. IMHO it's the superior game. What are you guys talking about? ZB is just pointing out that if you don't like twitch shooters you won't like Zero5. He expressed his opinion, and I expressed mine. Hence the 'IMHO'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) He expressed his opinion, and I expressed mine. Hence the 'IMHO'.... I misplaced the quote, it was supposed to go under the BS comment (I had all 3 placed up top when I started writing) . I left it up top cuz I thought it made little difference.... Edited March 31, 2007 by Willard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Well, having played Zero5 at last, I think I will say this game is one of those games "you want to like but can't". Or better said, this is to me what Bubsy is to you. Fair enough? Yeh plopped down $60 USD (which is a great deal I think) for this game, and it is interesting, but unless there is a way to select the view so that I can view from behind the ship or in the cockpit this game is just simply "interesting". Glad I got this game, there really are few games I'm needing at this point that will be in the Jaguar HSC at least, and this was one being mentioned in the votes, so I can play this now if it comes up. Yah! Just wished my MAS Pro Stick's rapid fire worked on this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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