Tempest Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Does anyone have a list of what unique 2600 games (not hacks) were only released in PAL format? Is there usually a PAL-M equivilent for most PAL only games (like a CCE version)? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 I have a working list of titles that is probably about 75-80% accurate that I'll post for you when I get home later today. There was also a thread here that I started to try to put together a comprehensive list, but I couldn't find it when trying to search. The main problem with the list is that there are many Homevision games that are original and are extremely hard to track down. I'd say that of all the original PAL titles known to exist, a good 4/5s of them also exist in some form as a PAL-M title whether it be in cart format or as part of a built-in clone system. Are you planning a new section on your website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 18, 2003 Author Share Posted September 18, 2003 Are you planning a new section on your website? No I just want to try them out with my Cuttle Cart II. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 This is my working list of PAL/PAL-M originals. Bear in mind that some titles may have more than one name and some might just be hacks of well known games. Acid Drop Alien Ship Alien's Return Aquatak Asterix (NTSC Proto exists) Aufruhr im Zoo Bobby is Going Home (Felix Return) Burper Criminal Pursuit Deadly Poison Dir Hungriege panda (Zoo Fun) Donald Duck Dragon Defender Exocet Missile (Might be same as exocet) Fatal Run Fire Birds Forest Galactic Gefahrliche Mausejagd Ghostbusters II Helldriver Immies & Aggies IQ 180 Klax (NTSC Prototype exists) Laser Base (World End) Mega Boy Meteor Defense Missile Control Mission Survive Mission 3000 Mr. Postman My Golf Nightmare Nuts Open Sesame (I Want My Mommy) Pac Kong (Inca Gold) Panda Chase Parachute Phanton Pharaoh's Curse Pick 'n Pile Pizza Chef Save Our Ship Sexta 13 Ski Hunt (Mountain Man) Steeplechase (Video Gems Version) Surfer's Paradise: But Danger Below! Time Warp (Raumpatrouille) Treasure Below Wing War Homevision cart originals? Asteroid Fire Cosmic War Gogo Home Monster Racing Car Robot Fight Sky Alien Tanks War Topsy Wall Break (Breakout, maybe?) War 2000 X Mission Cheers, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 This is my working list of PAL/PAL-M originals. I'm not sure I follow you, PAL is totally different to PAL-M. PAL-M carts are really just NTSC carts. Do you mean non-North American releases? Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyXB Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 This one is missing on the list: Brick Kick / Peter Penguin (ITT) / Jagd auf Diamanten-Frisco (Quelle) / HomeVision 4 (maybe real name somethink with Frisco) and I think Panda Chase is the same as Der hungrige Panda (Zoo Fun). Zoo Fun is a hack I think, because you play no Panda, you play a boy. And its a bit different I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 This is my working list of PAL/PAL-M originals. I'm not sure I follow you, PAL is totally different to PAL-M. PAL-M carts are really just NTSC carts. Do you mean non-North American releases? Mitch Most of the games on that list are PAL releases, but there are a couple of CCE exclusives (Immies and Aggies, Pizza Chef) listed that are not PAL but South American PAL-M (NTSC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 19, 2003 Author Share Posted September 19, 2003 I guess I'm looking for a list of all the unique games that were not released in the US (in NTSC), but were released in PAL-M. Oh and someone better convert the rest of those unique PAL games already! Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Oh and someone better convert the rest of those unique PAL games already! I'd convert Sexta 13 if I ever get a dump of it. But IMO is doesn't make any sense to convert games that are just pirated hacks (except maybe for Brick Kick). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I'd convert Sexta 13 if I ever get a dump of it. Pardon me if I missed something while I was gone, but what is Sexta 13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryG Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Pardon me if I missed something while I was gone, but what is Sexta 13? Sexta 13 is Halloween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarianer2003 Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Jagd auf Diamanten-Frisco (Quelle) / HomeVision 4 (maybe real name somethink with Frisco) No, it's just an another "Peter Penguin"-Release Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Pardon me if I missed something while I was gone, but what is Sexta 13? Sexta 13 is Halloween. Oh... Is it literally "Friday (the) 13(th)" though? Guess I've never seen that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagegamecrazy Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) Time to resurrect this old but great thread, I recently compiled my (maybe complete) list of pal exclusives. Please look this over, any games that are the pirated version of an original game please let me know so I can change it to the original non pirated name. If there are any missing please let me know. Acid Drop=Salu Ltd. Alien’s Return= ITT Family Games Challenge= HES Donald Duck’s Speedboat= Polyvox Dragon Defender= Suntek Fatal Run= Atari Fire Spinner= Emag Forest= Sancho Ghostbusters II= Activision/Salu Hell Driver= ITT Family Games Immies & Aggies= Zimag/CCE I.Q. Memory Teaser= Suntek Klax= Atari Laser Base= ITT Family Games Mega Boy Educational Cartridge= Dynacom Meteor Defense =ITT Family Games Missile Control =Video Gems Mission 3000 =Bit Corp. Mission Survive =Video Gems Mole Hunter =Suntek Mountain Man =ITT Family Games My Golf =Salu Ltd. Mysterious Thief, A =Emag Nuts =Technovision Open Sesame =Bit Corp. Panda Chase/Panda Rescue =Suntek/Home Vision Peter Penguin =ITT Family Games Pharaoh’s Curse =Technovision Pick’n Pile =Salu Ltd. Pizza Chef =Zimag/CCE Pumuckl I/Zoo Fun =ITT Family Games Save Our Ship =Technovision Skydiver =Suntek Snail Against Squirrel =Bit Corp. Spider Maze=K-Tel Vision Steeple Chase =Video Gems Surfer’s Paradise: But Danger Below =Video Gems Time Warp =Fun Vision Treasure Below =Video Gems UFO Patrol =Suntek Wilma Wanderer =ITT Family Games Wing War =Imagic Words-Attack =Sancho Are there any Non US exclusive prototypes? Anything I missed please post and I'll update the original thread. 43 Edited March 25, 2008 by vintagegamecrazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninermaniac Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Time to resurrect this old but great thread, I recently compiled my (maybe complete) list of pal exclusives. Please look this over, any games that are the pirated version of an original game please let me know so I can change it to the original non pirated name. If there are any missing please let me know. Acid Drop Salu Ltd. Alien’s Return ITT Family Games Challenge HES Donald Duck’s Speedboat Polyvox Dragon Defender Suntek Fatal Run Atari Fire Spinner Emag Forest Sancho Ghostbusters II Activision/Salu Hell Driver ITT Family Games Immies & Aggies Zimag/CCE I.Q. Memory Teaser Suntek Klax Atari Laser Base ITT Family Games Mega Boy Educational Cartridge Dynacom Meteor Defense ITT Family Games Missile Control Video Gems Mission 3000 Bit Corp. Mission Survive Video Gems Mole Hunter Suntek Mountain Man ITT Family Games My Golf Salu Ltd. Mysterious Thief, A Emag Nuts Technovision Open Sesame Bit Corp. Panda Chase/Panda Rescue Suntek/Home Vision Peter Penguin ITT Family Games Pharaoh’s Curse Technovision Pick’n Pile Salu Ltd. Pizza Chef Zimag/CCE Pumuckl I/Zoo Fun ITT Family Games Robot Fight Home Vision Save Our Ship Technovision Skydiver Suntek Snail Against Squirrel Bit Corp. Steeple Chase Video Gems Surfer’s Paradise: But Danger Below Video Gems Time Warp Fun Vision Treasure Below Video Gems UFO Patrol Suntek Wilma Wanderer ITT Family Games Wing War Imagic Words-Attack Sancho Are there any pal exclusive prototypes? Anything I missed please post and I'll update the original thread. 42 Man. You really dug deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Donald Duck’s Speedboat Polyvox I believe this is NTSC. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagegamecrazy Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 The NTSC version is a Proto by Atari, Polyvox released this game in South America. There may be another non US game called Donald Duck as well that's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 The NTSC version is a Proto by Atari, Polyvox released this game in South America. There may be another non US game called Donald Duck as well that's different. I am aware of that but I believe many, if not all, Polyvox releases were NTSC. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This list... are you looking for PAL only games or just games not available inside the US? Some of these have NTSC protos, alot of them were converted and released by Brazilian companies, and more of them were converted TJ. PAL-M works fine on a NTSC TV. The colors might be different but the screen won't roll. For the sake of arguement we'll just say PAL-M games are NTSC even though it might not be technically correct. I will leave pointers here to the harder to find roms. Conversions Acid Drop (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Alien’s Return (NTSC pirate rom exists) its called Col 'N' on Atariage. Trust me it's a NTSC rom download it and count the scanlines (269) Challenge (released in NTSC by Zellers) Donald Duck’s Speedboat (NTSC prototype, also released by various other Brazilian pirate companies) Dragon Defender (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Fatal Run (NTSC prototype) Fire Spinner (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Forest Sancho (never converted) Ghostbusters II (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Hell Driver (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Immies & Aggies (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) I.Q. 180 (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Klax (NTSC prototype) Laser Base (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) MegaBoy (already PAL-M, so NTSC basically) Meteor Defense (aka Astro War, another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Missile Control (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mission 3000 (released by various other Brazilian pirate companies. Get a copy here.) Mission Survive (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mole Hunter (aka Hole Hunter) Mountain Man (aka Ski Hunt, converted by R.Cade) My Golf (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mysterious Thief, A (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Nuts (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Open Sesame (A few different NTSC versions of this ie I Want My Mommy - ZiMAG, Apples and Dolls - CCE, etc...) Panda Chase (never converted AFAIK, was hacked into Zoo Fun, which might have been converted on the 2600 Screen Search Console) Peter Penguin (aka Brick Kick, another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Pharaoh’s Curse (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here. Also better converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Pick’n Pile (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Pizza Chef (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Pumuckl I/Zoo Fun (see comments on Panda Chase) Robot Fight (this really is just a PAL hack of Missile Command) Save Our Ship (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Skydiver (aka Parachute, converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Snail Against Squirrel (Here is a version by CCE) Steeple Chase (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Surfer’s Paradise: But Danger Below (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Time Warp (released in NTSC by Zellers) Treasure Below (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) UFO Patrol (aka X'Mission, never converted) Wilma Wanderer (this game has been hacked many times including Bobby is Going Home. Get a CCE version here.) Wing War (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Words-Attack (never converted) I don't know how many mistakes I made in the above list, but it should be noted that where there is one Brazilian pirate rom there is ususally several more with minimal changes (like only the company logo being different). I don't know if Thomas converted all the Technovision games but I seem to remember something about that. Very few games have never been converted now. I think Ski Run is not on your list, but it was converted at least on the 2600 screen search console. Don't confuse that game with Ski Hunt like I always do. Roms' rom collection will have alot of roms from these pirate companies including the Ski Run I just mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Jeff Wins This list... are you looking for PAL only games or just games not available inside the US? Some of these have NTSC protos, alot of them were converted and released by Brazilian companies, and more of them were converted TJ. PAL-M works fine on a NTSC TV. The colors might be different but the screen won't roll. For the sake of arguement we'll just say PAL-M games are NTSC even though it might not be technically correct. I will leave pointers here to the harder to find roms. Conversions Acid Drop (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Alien’s Return (NTSC pirate rom exists) its called Col 'N' on Atariage. Trust me it's a NTSC rom download it and count the scanlines (269) Challenge (released in NTSC by Zellers) Donald Duck’s Speedboat (NTSC prototype, also released by various other Brazilian pirate companies) Dragon Defender (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Fatal Run (NTSC prototype) Fire Spinner (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Forest Sancho (never converted) Ghostbusters II (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Hell Driver (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Immies & Aggies (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) I.Q. 180 (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Klax (NTSC prototype) Laser Base (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) MegaBoy (already PAL-M, so NTSC basically) Meteor Defense (aka Astro War, another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Missile Control (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mission 3000 (released by various other Brazilian pirate companies. Get a copy here.) Mission Survive (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mole Hunter (aka Hole Hunter) Mountain Man (aka Ski Hunt, converted by R.Cade) My Golf (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Mysterious Thief, A (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Nuts (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Open Sesame (A few different NTSC versions of this ie I Want My Mommy - ZiMAG, Apples and Dolls - CCE, etc...) Panda Chase (never converted AFAIK, was hacked into Zoo Fun, which might have been converted on the 2600 Screen Search Console) Peter Penguin (aka Brick Kick, another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Pharaoh’s Curse (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here. Also better converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Pick’n Pile (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Pizza Chef (ZiMAG /Emag / Vidco) Pumuckl I/Zoo Fun (see comments on Panda Chase) Robot Fight (this really is just a PAL hack of Missile Command) Save Our Ship (another Brazilian conversion, but I don't know who. Get it here.) Skydiver (aka Parachute, converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Snail Against Squirrel (Here is a version by CCE) Steeple Chase (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Surfer’s Paradise: But Danger Below (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Time Warp (released in NTSC by Zellers) Treasure Below (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) UFO Patrol (aka X'Mission, never converted) Wilma Wanderer (this game has been hacked many times including Bobby is Going Home. Get a CCE version here.) Wing War (converted by Thomas Jentzsch) Words-Attack (never converted) I don't know how many mistakes I made in the above list, but it should be noted that where there is one Brazilian pirate rom there is ususally several more with minimal changes (like only the company logo being different). I don't know if Thomas converted all the Technovision games but I seem to remember something about that. Very few games have never been converted now. I think Ski Run is not on your list, but it was converted at least on the 2600 screen search console. Don't confuse that game with Ski Hunt like I always do. Roms' rom collection will have alot of roms from these pirate companies including the Ski Run I just mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 The NTSC version is a Proto by Atari, Polyvox released this game in South America. There may be another non US game called Donald Duck as well that's different. I am aware of that but I believe many, if not all, Polyvox releases were NTSC. Mitch AFAIK The Polyvox version of this was never proven to exist. It's just a rumor, even though the DP guide has it in there but Who do you guys know that owns one? I would love to see it if there is a pic floating around. Also I am pretty sure if the Polyvox version was released in South America it would be NTSC since all the other Polyvox South America releases were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 AFAIK The Polyvox version of this was never proven to exist. It's just a rumor, even though the DP guide has it in there but Who do you guys know that owns one? I would love to see it if there is a pic floating around.Also I am pretty sure if the Polyvox version was released in South America it would be NTSC since all the other Polyvox South America releases were I don't know if the Polyvox exists, but other Brazilian pirates do: MaxGames screenshot JVP Imagic International Games Auto Game The Brazilians definitely had the rom so it stands to reason Polyvox could too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I don't know if Thomas converted all the Technovision games but I seem to remember something about that. So do I. BTW: Technically Peter Penguin is just a hack of Pac-Man. But since the result is very different, it probably should stay on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirantho Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Just to clarify, though - the original posts credited many of the PAL exclusives to Home Vision which isn't true, I'm pretty certain. Home Vision may have been one of the first outlets for the games in question though (that I believe were programmed in the East, probably Taiwan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS_Dracon Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) All Polivox games are pure NTSC. Pal-M had NTSC resolution and speed (60 fps) but in PAL colors. But, the colors are changed inside of Atari (color cristal? Tia?) not in rom, so undoubtly, Pal-M games are NTSC and run fine in NTSC Atari 2600, but Pal-M Atari2600 not work in NTSC TV (wrong color information). The Brazilians definitely had the rom so it stands to reason Polyvox could too. Polivox was authorized by Atari to produce their carts, so Polivox not produced pirates games. You can find Activision, Imagic and Parker Brothers games, authorized, in official Atari silver label carts I realy like Polivox carts, and worth for collection. Edited March 25, 2008 by LS_Dracon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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