lowscore Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I asked this question at Atarimax forums but I believe there are probably many people here who would be able to answer this question (likely many of the same people, in fact!) I have had my usb cart for about a month and love it for its user friendliness. It is a really cool product which allows me to play games I want on the 5200 and still continue collecting for 2600 exclusively. I have searched out quite a few roms for it and keep coming up with several that I cannot get to work, despite trying as many different versions as I can find. Some are official releases like Pitfall!, and some are conversions like Preppie and Junior Jumpman. Some are hacks like Pac Pollux. And still others are protos such as Sports Goofy. there are a few others that I can't remember. Are there known compatability issues with these titles? How about others that I shouldn't even bother with. I do know about the BBSB thing, and was wondering if my problems with these titles is similer. Any input would be helpful to this mid-thirties, fresh faced, wet-behind-the-ears newbie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) There are a couple titles that are funky, and you seem to have nailed a few of them here. A good rule of thumb is to try it out on Kat 5200, which is a 5200 only emulator. Jumpman Jr. is hard to get started, even on the Atari 8bit PC. There is some sorta trick. It'll just show you all the screens and cycle through. Find the manual for it, that might help. There is a site that is cataloging all of the 8 bit titles, it isn't atarimax or atariprotos, but it is something like that. I wish I could remember the name now, that would be a good place to look, though. The guy who runs it was talking about his site in the Montezuma's revenge thread in the 8 bit forum here. A lot of the ROM images out there are good enough to run on an emulator, but may give you trouble on the real hardware, also. Bad dumps. Keep searching, they're almost ALL out there, if you dig around. Mine is in storage for shipping, so I can't help much more than this right now. It goes without mentioning that Pitfall 2 is a problem on 2 port machines. All of my machines have the 4 port bios, even the 2 port units. Weird... Edited February 2, 2007 by Paranoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowscore Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 It goes without mentioning that Pitfall 2 is a problem on 2 port machines. All of my machines have the 4 port bios, even the 2 port units. Weird... Pitfall 2(rom) works fine on my 2 port. It is Regular old Pitfall! that I cannot find a working(rom) copy of. I thought the problem was with the 4 ports not playing some games, but I could just be remembering the thing about the 2600 adapter not working on them. I am going to look for the Jumpman trick because the screens that cycled before my eyes looked neat-o. Thanks, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I may be confused about several things. I'm sure there is someone around here who can tell you EXACTLY what the deal is. But I know that I had a difficult time getting Jumpman Junior to start on the 8 Bit PC, and it was the same kind of thing I was experiencing on the 5200... Oh! I think that is it. Instead of START, you've got to hit a key on the numeric keypad... the * 0 or #? Or maybe the 1 2 or 3... And it is really the same deal on the PC. You've got to hit a numeric key on the keyboard, not the Start key on the control panel strip. It is something weird like that. But yeah, if you dig around, you'll start to find patched ROMs that claim to fix some of the problems, or roms that are listed as "good dumps". Be careful though, the places you will have to dig, aren't good for your Windows 32 based PC to visit, sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowscore Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) But I know that I had a difficult time getting Jumpman Junior to start on the 8 Bit PC, and it was the same kind of thing I was experiencing on the 5200... Be careful though, the places you will have to dig, aren't good for your Windows 32 based PC to visit, sometimes. I found the answer,I think, On this thread. http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...=Jumpman+Junior I think I have found some of these unsafe places of which you speak. Good thing I am left alone with a computer most every business day . Thanks again for the tips. Edited February 2, 2007 by lowscore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Beware of the dark side of the net. If you should get your machine hijacked and end up talking to some TLA Government agency because your PC has been traced as the host of some depraved Russian Animal Porn site... most everyone here will have no pity on you if you've been visiting these unsafe places of where I speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowscore Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) I think I prefer the ambiguously grey side of the internets. I don't know much about Russians, and I don't like animals. Neither does my PC. Except for my Miniature poodle. She is a doll; a living chia pet, only without the chloraphil and cheap pottery. Edited February 2, 2007 by lowscore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Heh. Honestly, the post was just so that I can have plausible deniability that I was *advocating* a visit to the seedy side of the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nems Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) To start jumpman junior on the 5200, you are supposed to... "Push * to enter the setup screen. Push # to select the number of players (pushed twice indicates two player mode). Push START to prompt speed selection. Push 1-8 to indicate speed (1=fast, 8=slow)." Problem is that one must plug in and use the keypad on a second controller in port 2, to actually get the above instructions to work. This is a bug that I'm hoping kenfused eventually corrects. Edited February 5, 2007 by nems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Ahh... That is interesting. It is modern 8 bit port, right, it was never officially released by Epyx for the 5200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfused Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I mostly did the ports for other people to enjoy on their usb vgwiz maxicart, or now the usb multicart. When a lot of the carts were being sold by others or ebayed I decided to quit. I think I have only ever had two people ask me if I could make a cart. When people start arguing when one person is copying another person's 5200 labels they are putting on games I converted, that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. I'll try to fix it though if I ever find the power brick for my box that convert ch 3 to a/v. Is the second stick needed just for the keypad? Does start work on the first keypad (when it comes time to push start)? --Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowscore Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 I mostly did the ports for other people to enjoy on their usb vgwiz maxicart, or now the usb multicart. When a lot of the carts were being sold by others or ebayed I decided to quit. I think I have only ever had two people ask me if I could make a cart. When people start arguing when one person is copying another person's 5200 labels they are putting on games I converted, that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. I'll try to fix it though if I ever find the power brick for my box that convert ch 3 to a/v. Is the second stick needed just for the keypad? Does start work on the first keypad (when it comes time to push start)? --Ken I push start on the left controller to select the game from the list, then I push * on the right, prompt says "number of players: one" but I cannot change the number of players, and I have to push start on the right controller. Then it prompts "choose speed", and I use the digit on the keypad of the right controller. The game starts automatically after choosing the speed, but you play with the left controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I mostly did the ports for other people to enjoy on their usb vgwiz maxicart, or now the usb multicart. When a lot of the carts were being sold by others or ebayed I decided to quit. I think I have only ever had two people ask me if I could make a cart. When people start arguing when one person is copying another person's 5200 labels they are putting on games I converted, that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. I'll try to fix it though if I ever find the power brick for my box that convert ch 3 to a/v. Is the second stick needed just for the keypad? Does start work on the first keypad (when it comes time to push start)? --Ken I never even knew you would/could make them for people. I make my own now but before I would have asked you to make some if I had known. I really do enjoy the ones you and Classics have made. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRetroGamer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 ....that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. --Ken Thank you for all the hard work you did in the past to bring those titles to the 5200 - the effort you put in to those conversions really was appreciated! Hopefully you might have a change of heart in the future as the above statement translates into a tremendous LOSS for the entire community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) ....that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. --Ken Thank you for all the hard work you did in the past to bring those titles to the 5200 - the effort you put in to those conversions really was appreciated! Hopefully you might have a change of heart in the future as the above statement translates into a tremendous LOSS for the entire community. Amen brother. I hate it when a few people want to be jerks and spoil good stuff for what is largely a GREAT community. Hell, as far as lables go, I have found that if you just ASK the creator of the label if you can use the art, they have no problem at all Edited February 6, 2007 by Lord Helmet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 ....that made me decide to never pursue any more conversions. --Ken Thank you for all the hard work you did in the past to bring those titles to the 5200 - the effort you put in to those conversions really was appreciated! Hopefully you might have a change of heart in the future as the above statement translates into a tremendous LOSS for the entire community. Ill second that - Beef Drop for the XL/XE was great! Im still hoping ton convince someone to do Zoo Keeper on the XL/XE/5200 line, hint hint hint Hopefully a few bad apples wont keep you out of the game forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowscore Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 As a new member of the AA community, I must tip my hat to the programmers like Kenfused and Classics. I haven't the aptitude or patience to do the amazing things they do, and in a short time they, and people like them, have enriched my experience with retro gaming beyond what I could ever do just chasing old carts around sleazebay and flea markets. People who ride their coattails to make a buck are not friends of mine and I do not to deal with them when I recognize their stuff. In the future I hope to be able to humbley contribute the kinds of unique and high quality labels to the effort, as that is where my aptitude lies. I would hope that credit is given where it is due for all who give their time and creativity to the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Thank you for all the hard work you did in the past to bring those titles to the 5200 - the effort you put in to those conversions really was appreciated! Hopefully you might have a change of heart in the future as the above statement translates into a tremendous LOSS for the entire community. I want to chime in supporting this as well. It is too bad that we see so many examples of greed in this community, but those are really generally the exception, and I think as word spreads, the people who do these kind of things find themselves ostracized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfused Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hope I didn't sound too bitter, I had just got home from working 4-midnight. The ebayers selling their "spare", or that don't mention it is homemade get me the most. I think I have seen some go well over 30 if they dont get yanked. The main thing about zoo keeper is, there are three different boards to do (at least I hope that is all). And they all play a little differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hope I didn't sound too bitter, I had just got home from working 4-midnight. The ebayers selling their "spare", or that don't mention it is homemade get me the most. I think I have seen some go well over 30 if they dont get yanked. The main thing about zoo keeper is, there are three different boards to do (at least I hope that is all). And they all play a little differently. Well if you do it for the 7800 you don't have to do the sound effects since they are all done. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Zoo Keeper had 3 boards as far as I got: 1. Cage Animals 2. Jump animals to get to the open cage 3. Jump up to get your girl Actually - anything you might consider for the XL/XE/5200 would get my vote unless it was ET v2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Thank you for all the hard work you did in the past to bring those titles to the 5200 - the effort you put in to those conversions really was appreciated! That statement of appreciation goes for me as well. Kenfused, if you want to stop, we understand. I mean, you're doing this out of the goodness of your heart in the first place. But please, never think we don't appreciate what you've done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfused Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) I can't test this on a real 5200 at the moment but give this version a try and see if everything works from the first stick. jmjr5200b.zip Edited February 7, 2007 by kenfused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I can't test this on a real 5200 at the moment but give this version a try and see if everything works from the first stick. Works perfectly. Thanks. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nems Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 (edited) Kenfused, Classics adds a start-up screen to all of his recent 8-bit to 5200 conversions. Somehow he finds room in the code to add the following upon the start of the game: 5200 Conversion by Classics5200 Micro-Kernal c2007 Steven Tucker Free for Non-Commercial Use Only I would think that a similar message on any new conversions that you were to do, would stop the e-bay profiteers. Perhaps classics can chime-in as to how effective this message has been at stopping the e-bay leeches, and provide you with some info as to how to best get the message into the game code. The 5200 needs people like you, and it saddens me when the exploitive actions of others diminish your enthusiasm and contributions! - Mark Edited February 9, 2007 by nems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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