+atari2600land Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Here's a tic-tac-toe program I'm making. I want it to have the feel of an early Atari 2600 game. Right now, it's mostly finished. All I have to work on is changing the color of the screen when not in use, and also, any suggestions you might have. I have a whole bunch of variables to work with (l-z), so play and make a suggestion if you have any. tictactoe.bas.bin tictactoe.bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uosipa llamxew Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Pretty cool, but... The AI is kinda lacking. It's almost as if the computer wants me to win. If the computer gets a tic tac toe across the bottom of the playfield, the game doesn't end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Yes, I also need to work on the AI. Forgot about that when posting. I can't program AI very well, so I'll need some help on it. (it wouldn't need very much AI, there's only 9 squares in the whole game.) I'll look into the second thing you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Fixed some problems, including the bottom row problem. There's still no AI (the computer player still works, but it's just random O placements.) I also added a few things: #1 - Added color changes if left alone #2 - If the left difficulty switch is set to A, the computer goes first. tictactoe2.bas.bin tictactoe2.bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldoop Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Fixed some problems, including the bottom row problem. There's still no AI (the computer player still works, but it's just random O placements.) I also added a few things:#1 - Added color changes if left alone #2 - If the left difficulty switch is set to A, the computer goes first. Wikipedia's article onTic-tac-toe includes a simple strategy here. It may be useful, it may be not. Or maybe you could try the brute-force approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 I have found a way for the computer to block the line you're trying to make. The trouble now is trying to program the same thing by the third time you've moved. It shouldn't be that much of a problem, though. Here's the scenario so far (if you go first). You make a move, the computer makes a random move. You make another move, the computer checks all possible lines you're trying to make and then blocks it. That's as far as I got so far. What I want to do is; after that, you go again and then the computer checks all possible lines you're trying to make again and then blocks it. By this time, there *could* be two possible ways for you to win, and the computer can block only one way, leaving you to win one way or the other. Which way should the computer block? The one that comes first in the possible block list. Yes, that's it. Who knew programming computer AI in a tic-tac-toe game would be so much work? I'm surprised Atari hasn't done this in the early days of the 2600. There's a 3D-Tic-Tac-Toe but no regular one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 In this version I think the AI is a lot better. Try it out for yourself and see what you think. tictactoe4.bas tictactoe4.bas.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uosipa llamxew Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 In this version I think the AI is a lot better. Try it out for yourself and see what you think. The AI is a bit better now... I think there's still room for improvement. Can you do anything about the delay in the cursors movement? It feels like I really have to push hard to the left, right, etc before it actually moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Version 5 - better cursor movement and got the computer AI a tad bit better. I'm thinking about naming this Tic-Tac-Atari since you play against the Atari. I tried putting in a 2-player version for 2 human players but I can't do it. I definitely can't do it without moving it up to 16k, which would be an insanely huge game for such a simple game as Tic-Tac-Toe. I don't know how someone could program a complex 3D-Tic-Tac-Toe in as little space as Atari did. I also wrote up a little bit of instructions. I wanted to put in some background history of the game of Tic-Tac-Toe but couldn't find any. __________________________ Tic-Tac-Toe instructions: before play or after a game is done: You are X. The computer is O. left difficulty switch A - Computer goes first left difficulty switch B - You go first. To start, press the reset switch. How to play: To put in an X, move the cursor to the spot you want to put an X in. To place the X, press the fire button. The computer will place an O right after you place an X. If you win, you'll hear a ding! If you lose, you'll hear a buzz. If the game is a draw, you won't hear anything. To start a game after a win, loss, or draw, press the reset switch. tictactoe5.bas.bin tictactoe5.bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nognir Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I finally made it to try this game out and its really nice! The AI is better than in the first version but I found a little bug there: As seen on the picture (atari was beginning) I marked the middle spot with a cross and in the fifth round, he also marked it with his circle. Just wanted to mention that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Version 5 - better cursor movement and got the computer AI a tad bit better. I'm thinking about naming this Tic-Tac-Atari since you play against the Atari Tic-tac-tari sounds kinda catchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 I finally made it to try this game out and its really nice!The AI is better than in the first version but I found a little bug there: As seen on the picture (atari was beginning) I marked the middle spot with a cross and in the fifth round, he also marked it with his circle. Just wanted to mention that. This bug was caused by a typo. I fixed it. I think Tic-Tac-'Tari is a great name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) I made a 2-player option! 4th time is the charm, apparently. left difficulty switch A - Computer goes first left difficulty switch B - You go first right difficulty switch A & left difficulty switch B - player 1 goes first right difficulty switch A & left difficulty switch A - player 2 goes first It's 16k, but bank 3 is empty, so it's technically only about 12k. EDIT: the 2-player option only works if both difficulty switches are set to A. I am working on the problem. tictactoe6p2.bas.bin tictactoe6p2.bas Edited August 9, 2007 by atari2600land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) Problem should be fixed with this version. Comments/suggestions welcome. I have 4 more k to work with, so I should be able to add some stuff. tictactoe9.bas.bin tictactoe9.bas Edited August 9, 2007 by atari2600land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 Just fooling around with the label maker on the 2600 forum: Also, I need feedback on the game so far. Love it? Hate it? Change anything? etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Atarius Maximus Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) Just fooling around with the label maker on the 2600 forum: Also, I need feedback on the game so far. Love it? Hate it? Change anything? etc. You're done a great job on this game! If you're looking for suggestions on improving it, the first thing that comes to mind is just adding a little polish, the game itself is very good. Here's some ideas for you. These are just random thoughts, they may not all be good ideas. * Make something happen when you win or lose the game: - background or playfield flashes with different colors, depending on if you won or lost? - switch to some kind of win or lose sprite animation screen? * Use a nice looking sprite as the joystick selector instead of the ball? * Use a sprite to display the game title onscreen during the game? * Use the score to keep track of how many times you've won? * Add a title screen? * set a time limit for moves ('speed' tic-tac-toe)? * User selectable background colors / playfield colors? You could do this with the joystick before you press the button to start the game. * Add the ability to restart the game with the button instead of just the reset switch? Steve Edited August 10, 2007 by Atarius Maximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 Huge update with new features and new bugs. New features: - Title screen added - Pick a background color with the joystick (left & right) - Score added - Start new games with the fire button instead of flipping reset switch. - Instead of difficulty switches, different games are chosen using the game select switch. New bugs: - Games 3&4 alternate between player 1 going first and player 2 going first after each game when it should be constant which player goes first. - After a draw in game 2, it goes straight to a new game instead of playing the new 'draw' tone. I am sure I'm missing some bugs here. I've also included a instruction manual covering the new changes. And hopefully someone can look at the code and fix the bugs. tttinst.txt tictactoe12.bas.bin tictactoe12.bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 11, 2007 Author Share Posted August 11, 2007 (edited) I fixed the two bugs by myself (I think). Comments/suggestions welcome, as always. tictactoe13.bas.bin tictactoe13.bas Edited August 11, 2007 by atari2600land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sprite Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Oh! I have Tourette's! I mean, ideas! Can you make variations, like a tournament mode where winner gets to put their symbol on another grid, loser goes first next game, and the first person to get three of their symbols in a row on the scoring grid wins? Or, an action mode where there are no turns, and both players race as fast as they can to place X's and O's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 11, 2007 Author Share Posted August 11, 2007 @A Sprite: Those suggestions are great, but I wouldn't know how to go about programming them. Also, I'd like to keep the binary file at 16k if at all possible (a managable size. Knowing me, if I make one wrong itty bitty change, it'd probably ruin the whole thing, and going through all that code, oh my.) New version with a better-to-read title screen and title screen music (The opening to "Funkytown" by Lipps, Inc; composed by Steven Greenberg.) Technical info (for anyone who cares): 250 bytes left in bank 1; 1,897 bytes left in bank 2; 1,846 bytes left in bank 3; 540 bytes left in bank 4. Don't expect a new version until tomorrow. I'm too Tic-Tac-Toed out for now. tictactoe14.bas.bin tictactoe14.bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi Chris good work.Plays well .The computer AI is much better now. greetings Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impaler_26 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 (edited) This is a nicely done game and i enjoyed playing a few rounds! Of course it should say "You Lose Turkey" when the computer wins, just like tic-tac-toe for the channel-f does Edited August 11, 2007 by Impaler_26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neotokeo2001 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 Cool label! As for "You Lose Turkey", that's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen for a classic video game. Why not just go the full distance and say "Hey, Moron, You Lost!" I don't want to insult the people who play my game, though. That, and there's no room for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Nothing much, just changed the playfield color to black. I noticed white on yellow is hard to see. tictactoe15.bas.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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