mimo Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Edited November 26, 2008 by mimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olavese@online.no Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Not sure, but when I bought my Atari 800 in 1983, it was displaying a green background for me ... There's a potmeter inside that adjust the colors a bit ... might try turning that a little, unless the rest of the colors are okay ... Take Atarian care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Tried the pot and that made no difference, also tried my 600xl, and 800xl and 600xl on a CRT with composite AV. Same problem, the other colours are fine, just the cherries are wrong Will try and get the Atarimania image onto my flashcart and try that see if it makes any difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Have you tried a 400/800 or an XE? I know that may not be much help, but it's worth a shot I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookt Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Are you running from an atr? If so post it up and I'll run it on a couple of my machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 my 400 is in a million pieces, so no to that one at the moment. Using a real cart fyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Yes - as far as I know, this is a known issue with this game on PAL machines. Stephen Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookt Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Hmm, I'm sure I have a Ms PacMan cart *somewhere* in all this stuff One day I really need to catalogue all of it, actually, one day I need to find it all and pull it all together in one place Edited November 26, 2008 by spookt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Yes - as far as I know, this is a known issue with this game on PAL machines. Stephen Anderson Interesting. It seems like Atari never really bothered making PAL-specific carts and just sold NTSC carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Yes - as far as I know, this is a known issue with this game on PAL machines. Stephen Anderson Thanks, wierd that it plays correctly on an emulator with PAL settings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Actually, they did bother with NTSC/PAL in some cases. Pole Position seems to have a unique palette setting for each system. I only found out myself after someone mentioned it and I tried it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 The cherries are green instead of red, is this a known problem? My set up PAL Atari 800XL 32-in-1 OS (Using XL OS rev C reverse basic) s-video upgrade PAL LCD television using s-video input (pin sharp picture ) tried in an emulator and the cherries are red Yes - as far as I know, this is a known issue with this game on PAL machines. Stephen Anderson Thanks, wierd that it plays correctly on an emulator with PAL settings What emulator are you using? It shows up green in Atari800Win PLus in PAL mode for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 (edited) Actually, they did bother with NTSC/PAL in some cases. Pole Position seems to have a unique palette setting for each system. I only found out myself after someone mentioned it and I tried it out. Moreso, they also did it for Ms Pac-Man - only they screwed up and chose wrong colours for PAL systems. Thanks, wierd that it plays correctly on an emulator with PAL settings What emulator are you using? It shows up green in Atari800Win PLus in PAL mode for me... Yeah, it also shows up green in any version of Atari800. Edited November 27, 2008 by Kr0tki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I am pretty sure I posted this problem a year or two ago too here. There are at least two versions of Ms. Pacman. The one with the green cherry... and the one with the red cherry. I love the one with the red cherry more, because a cherry should not be green. The disk and file versions are all with the green cherry. As far as i have seen. I hope someone could post an .ATR with the red cherry. As far as I know isn't there a difference in part number. And as far as I know this has nothing to do with NTSC or PAL. Everything is 100% equal between these two versions. It's just the color of the cherry (and strawberry) Greetz. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I can't see how red could change to green unless the software specified it. The major issue I see with PAL/NTSC so far as colours are concerned is that PAL Colour 4 is in no way red/pink, and Colour 15 is almost identical to Colour 1. Green occupies colours 10 thru 12, whereas Red is 3. I'm curious now, gonna have to play it to see what this is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 OK. The cart does have different colour sets for PAL/NTSC. But I run the game in the emulator and on Level 1 the cherry is either Colour 3 (PAL) or Colour 4 (NTSC). What level does this happen on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) It happens on level one and on the title/select screen, as I said before it looks fine (red) in emulation, but on 2 PAL Atari's the cherries are green. I will try and get a screen shot And Marius is correct, the Strawberry is not ripe either Edited November 28, 2008 by mimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) No need for screenshot, I believe you. Indeed there are 2 versions of Ms Pac-Man, and as Marius1976 confirmed in this thread, both were released on cartridge. The version hosted at Atarimania has correct colours, while the one hosted f.e. here in AtariAge's hidden 8-bit section has green cherries. Both ROMs differ only in one single byte, which defines the colour. Marius1976: Since you've asked for a file version with red cherries like a year ago, I just thought I might prepare it for you myself; here you go. Ms._Pac_Man__1983__Atari__U___crack_.xex.zip Edited November 28, 2008 by Kr0tki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 And as far as I know this has nothing to do with NTSC or PAL. Everything is 100% equal between these two versions. It's just the color of the cherry (and strawberry) It has something to do with PAL/NTSC at least in emulation. It will change colors on-the-fly when I switch modes (not using forced reset). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 It has colour tables for each system. The colour store is done early in the game's deferred VBlank. The PAL colour set is at $AABD, NTSC at $AACD. It would be easy to just change them to your own preference then build a flashcart or ROM image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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