PacManPlus Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 (edited) Hacking 7800 Ms. Pac-Man into Pac-Man No released bins yet... If this one gets too hard, I reserve the right to abandon Edited May 21, 2005 by PacManPlus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakpack Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Hacking 7800 Ms. Pac-Man into Pac-Man No released bins yet... If this one gets too hard, I reserve the right to abandon 848799[/snapback] OMG!!This is AWESOME!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad2600 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Looking forward to it. Ms.Pac Man is one of my favorite 7800 games. Actually, it's also my favorite on the 5200, along with regular Pac Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 If this is anything like your other hacks...it's gonna kick ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 I think you're the first person to attempt a hack for the 7800! I'm looking forward to checking this one out if/when you have enough done to release a beta ROM. Between you doing a 7800 hack and Kenfused poised to release a couple of 7800 homebrews, this looks like a good year for the 7800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 4, 2005 Author Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks guys - I'll see how far I can get with this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 6, 2005 Author Share Posted May 6, 2005 Just a quick update... - Got the maze/dots changed (as you saw earlier) - Got the maze color changed - Made the first maze the only maze (doesn't change mazes after each intermission) - Blinky and Pinky no longer move randomly at the beginning of the board; they go to their respective corners - Made the fruit stationary under the monster pen The problem I am having currently is I can't get the fruit to disappear after a certain amount of time. I have no experience with timers and I'm trying to figure out how to implement it. If anyone has any pointers please let me know. Thanks! Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Looks sweet man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakasama Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Oh that sooo cool! Are you going to rework the intermissions too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 6, 2005 Author Share Posted May 6, 2005 (edited) Thanks for the kind words - it's giving me great motivation! As far as the intermissions, I'm certainly going to try Edited May 6, 2005 by PacManPlus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 Figured out the fruit timer issue One thing I must do is make Blinky actually 'Red', instead of Hot Pink Things left: 1) Add all fruit 2) Change sprite definitions to be Pac instead of Ms. Pac. 3) Prevent monsters from going up above pen and above pac's starting point. 4) Re-introduce 'disperse mode' 5) Sounds 6) Intermissions 7) Death Animation Change menu / select screen to reflect correct wording (names of monsters, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmutzpuppe Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Figured out the fruit timer issue One thing I must do is make Blinky actually 'Red', instead of Hot Pink Things left: 1) Add all fruit 2) Change sprite definitions to be Pac instead of Ms. Pac. 3) Prevent monsters from going up above pen and above pac's starting point. 4) Re-introduce 'disperse mode' 5) Sounds 6) Intermissions 7) Death Animation Change menu / select screen to reflect correct wording (names of monsters, etc). 850986[/snapback] Good work, Ms. Pac Man stores the gfx in a very uncommon way (for a 7800 game) so this is not an easy task. Keep it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 Yes, It seems to store them in 4-color Antic mode. If anyone has a program that can view and edit antic-4 sprites on the screen, that would speed up this process a bit Thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmutzpuppe Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Yes, It seems to store them in 4-color Antic mode. If anyone has a program that can view and edit antic-4 sprites on the screen, that would speed up this process a bit Thanks Bob 851204[/snapback] Right, it's similar to Antic mode 4 but only 4x6 instead of 4x8. At least for font and wall. Unfortunately I don't know how the other gfx. are stored (the main thing is that you know it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Got the graphics - scratch that off the list Added the rest of the fruit as well and adjusted the point values accordingly. On the other hand, I ran into a problem I didn't think I would have... Displaying the fruit below the board :-/ I can't get it to show correctly. Still going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEBRO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 851204[/snapback] Right, it's similar to Antic mode 4 but only 4x6 instead of 4x8. At least for font and wall. Unfortunately I don't know how the other gfx. are stored (the main thing is that you know it ) 851210[/snapback] I wonder if the same person that did Ms. Pac-man for the 5200/A8 also did it for the 7800 The graphics are very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) This Fruit Display issue is kicking my butt. (for the past few days)... It's only 'broken' for the bottom of the screen (it shows correctly under the monster pen). I get either garbage or blanks after the 1st Melon (Which is where the Banana would have been so I'm sure that has something to do with it)... It's using display lists to show the lives and the level - not sure how that works (boy am I getting an education with this hack) :-P Any help is appreciated... Once I can get this going I will post a WIP bin. Edited May 9, 2005 by PacManPlus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakasama Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 It's looking good so far. I know it's not easy but think about it, you're pretty far into making a Pac-Man plus for the 7800 if you choose to do it that game. It seems you're going to keep the teddy bear maze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 11, 2005 Author Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) OK Here is my first WIP bin - please note the following 'known issues': 1) Please ignore the intermissions (for now), they are all messed up. 2) The color of the later fruit on the bottom of the screen (from the Galaxian forward...) is wrong. There's a chance it might have to stay that way... In the display lists, you are only allowed 7 colors (and all 7 are being used for the first bunch of fruits). 3) Sound has not been changed yet 4) Death Animation has not been changed yet - I can use the 'Pac-Man' bitmaps (seen in the intermissions) for them. 5) Monsters can still go up above the monster pen and Pac starting point - another tough one If you try this under a CC2, you must use the 78QUICK mode... For some reason, even though I downloaded the 78SIGN program from Dan Boris' site (makes a correct signature key) it still doesn't work on the real thing (unless you use the 78QUICK mode). Let me know what you think! PAC7800.ZIP Edited May 11, 2005 by PacManPlus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic George 2K3 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Not bad so far as a WIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 OK Here is my first WIP bin - please note the following 'known issues': 1) Please ignore the intermissions (for now), they are all messed up. 2) The color of the later fruit on the bottom of the screen (from the Galaxian forward...) is wrong. There's a chance it might have to stay that way... In the display lists, you are only allowed 7 colors (and all 7 are being used for the first bunch of fruits). 3) Sound has not been changed yet 4) Death Animation has not been changed yet - I can use the 'Pac-Man' bitmaps (seen in the intermissions) for them. 5) Monsters can still go up above the monster pen and Pac starting point - another tough one If you try this under a CC2, you must use the 78QUICK mode... For some reason, even though I downloaded the 78SIGN program from Dan Boris' site (makes a correct signature key) it still doesn't work on the real thing (unless you use the 78QUICK mode). Let me know what you think! 853122[/snapback] Excellent! I love it. Even with the above issues. It is so *cool* to have Pac-Man on the 7800. Maze looks great, and I like the look of Pac-Man himself. Keep up the great work PacMan Plus! Just a few suggestions/inquiries: -The outline of "Pac-Man" during the Intro, possibly a dark blue instead of the typical Ms. Pac-Man pink. -Is there anyway of changing the colors on the ghost monsters? Pinky's 'pink' always seems a bit to bright as does Inky's Green. Is it possible to "dull" those colors slightly? Inky also appears more like a Sea-Green in the 7800 version as compared to the Arcade's more Tourquiose (sp?) look. IMHO, he should be a little more 'blue'. -Another 'minor' issue I have with the Ghost is how 'tiny' their 'feet' are made. The ghost always appear to block/blob-ish IMHO. Can their 'bottoms' have more definition? (Boy does that *not* sound right...lol) -Is it possible to adjust the number of lives you start with as well? I believe GCC was a bit to generous with the number of lives at the start of the game. I would cut the lives back by two. -Finally is there anyway of changing the font with the score(s)? Can the score(s) be made "taller"/"longer"? Again, just inquiring/suggesting - minor stuff (Yeah, riiighht). I know you still have your list of major things to address. :-) Nonetheless, great work PacManPlus! I appreciate your generosity. -Trebor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitclassics Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Dude, that kicks. Guess I will have to make up a label for it Corey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 Excellent! I love it. Even with the above issues. It is so *cool* to have Pac-Man on the 7800. Maze looks great, and I like the look of Pac-Man himself. Keep up the great work PacMan Plus! Just a few suggestions/inquiries: -The outline of "Pac-Man" during the Intro, possibly a dark blue instead of the typical Ms. Pac-Man pink. I was already thinking of that - just haven't done it yet -Is there anyway of changing the colors on the ghost monsters? Pinky's 'pink' always seems a bit to bright as does Inky's Green. Is it possible to "dull" those colors slightly? Inky also appears more like a Sea-Green in the 7800 version as compared to the Arcade's more Tourquiose (sp?) look. IMHO, he should be a little more 'blue'. I noticed that too on a regular television. Will see if I can change. -Another 'minor' issue I have with the Ghost is how 'tiny' their 'feet' are made. The ghost always appear to block/blob-ish IMHO. Can their 'bottoms' have more definition? (Boy does that *not* sound right...lol) Not so sure about this one... A little limited with the shapes... I'll see what I can do. -Is it possible to adjust the number of lives you start with as well? I believe GCC was a bit to generous with the number of lives at the start of the game. I would cut the lives back by two. I was thinking of making this a Left difficulty switch setting; 'A' = 3 Lives, 'B' = 5 Lives. -Finally is there anyway of changing the font with the score(s)? Can the score(s) be made "taller"/"longer"? Again, not much I can do here The characters are only 6 pixels high instead of 8. Again, just inquiring/suggesting - minor stuff (Yeah, riiighht). I know you still have your list of major things to address. :-) Nonetheless, great work PacManPlus! I appreciate your generosity. -Trebor 853279[/snapback] Thanks for the kind words everyone! Still Going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakpack Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I love you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEBRO Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 (edited) Let me know what you think! 853122[/snapback] It plays well. A couple of things I've noticed. It seems the fruit appears too soon so I did a little analysis. The arcade Pac-man has 244 dots and your version has 238 dots (if I counted right). This makes the scale 119/122. Arcade 1st fruit appears after eating 70 dots. So to make it closer to the arcade you need to eat ~68 dots for the first fruit to appear. The arcade second fruit appears after eating 170 dots. So to make it closer to the arcade you need to eat ~166 dots for the second fruit to appear. Also the scoring of the strawberry is incorrect. You should get 300 points for the strawberry in Pac-man. Edited May 12, 2005 by DEBRO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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