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[Dino]

Since the NTSC rarity guide is in desparate need of updating, I thought it may be worthwhile listing out what are the 'real' R10s in NTSC format (we have the PAL rarity guide for PAL titles). I'll update this list based upon the responses I get to this thread. This should hopefully give us an understanding of what the true R10s that most people agree are the R10s. I dont expect that we will reach total agreement on all titles and don't want to get into the boxed/unboxed debate - lets stick to loose titles. I'll start a similar thread for R9s and R8s.

R10s

Air Raid (MenAvision) - lets leave it in for now shall we?
Atlantis II (Imagic)
Birthday Mania
BMX Airmaster (Atari)
Copy Cart (Vidco)
ECPC Cartridge (Romox)
Eli's Ladder (Simage)
Gauntlet (Answer)
Karate (Ultravision)
Magicard (Commavid)
Mangia (Spectravision)
Pepsi Invaders (Atari)
Superman (Sears picture label)
Space Chase Monogrammed (Apollo)
Video Life (Commavid)
Xante cartridge (Xante)


Changes from original list:

Added:

Birthday Mania
Space Chase Monogrammed (Apollo)



Subtracted:

Music Machine (Sparrow) - Added to R9s.

Edited by Dino, Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:52 PM.

[homerwannabee]

Agree with everything on the 10 list except Music Machine. There are a few rarity 9 games that are rarer than this. Though it
would be one of the rarer 9's
Air Raid (MenAvision) - lets leave it in for now shall we?
Atlantis II (Imagic)
Birthday Mania
BMX Airmaster (Atari)
Copy Cart (Vidco)
ECPC Cartridge (Romox)
Eli's Ladder (Simage)
Gauntlet (Answer)
Karate (Ultravision)
Magicard (Commavid)
Mangia (Spectravision)
Pepsi Invaders (Atari)
Spacechase (Monogrammed)
Superman (Sears picture label)
Video Life (Commavid)
Xante cartridge (Xante)

Edited by homerwannabee, Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:50 PM.

[Crazy Climber]

Yeah I agree that Music Machine is more of a 9 then a 10

[Dino]

Crazy Climber, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:58 AM, said:

Yeah I agree that Music Machine is more of a 9 then a 10

I was a bit iffy about Music Machine too. I had only left it in as I haven't seen one for sale in AGES. We'll see what everyone thinks.

[jay2068]

If you keep Music Machine on the list I have two of them (Sears Pic Super the other)

But I think Music is more a 9 thou

[Dino]

Just added Birthday Mania and Space Chase Monogrammed and removed Music Machine

Edited by Dino, Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:56 PM.

[homerwannabee]

So did I

[Dino]

homerwannabee, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:50 PM, said:

So did I

Hadn't noticed that. Thanks. I'll try to keep the first post the up-to-date one for version control and everything added and removed will be documented.

[Dino]

Please keep the posts to recommendations. I don't want people listing the 10s 9s and 8s that they have. There are pre-existing threads for that.

Thanks

[Christophero Sly]

Adding label variants like Sears picture label Superman will open a can of worms.

Edited by Christophero Sly, Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:54 PM.

[Dino]

Christophero Sly, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:47 PM, said:

Adding label variants like Sears picture label Superman will open a can of worms.

Not if you're sensible about it

[Chickybaby]

Spacechase monogrammed?

[Omegamatrix]

Chickybaby, on Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:59 PM, said:

Spacechase monogrammed?

Yep, Apollo offered a Spacechase cart that you could have personalized. When your spaceship blew up your intials would appear on the screen instead of the explosion. It cost $100 back in the day IIRC. I imagine only a few people did it so it's quite rare. It's also supposed to look like a regular Spacechase cart making them even harder to find. I have never seen myself.

[crunchysuperman]

Christophero Sly, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:47 AM, said:

Adding label variants like Sears picture label Superman will open a can of worms.

Certain variants should be added. Gravitar, for example, has never been a problem.

[Christophero Sly]

Dino, on Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:20 PM, said:

Not if you're sensible about it

crunchysuperman, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:09 AM, said:

Certain variants should be added. Gravitar, for example, has never been a problem.

How do you make the distinction?

Edited by Christophero Sly, Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:09 PM.

[Chickybaby]

Christophero Sly, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:08 PM, said:

Dino, on Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:20 PM, said:

Not if you're sensible about it

crunchysuperman, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:09 AM, said:

Certain variants should be added. Gravitar, for example, has never been a problem.

How do you make the distinction?

I really don't even know or follow all the rare varients, have found it difficult to keep up so how would a distinction be made?
(It's more about the games to us.) That and I enjoy collecting/playing homebrews more anymore.

Thanks for clarifying Omegamatrix, I've never even played our spacechases, lol maybe I should go check them.

Music Machine was the one R10 we could almost afford to keep our hands on but if anyone wants to part with any of the remaining game carts in good condition really cheaply, lol let us know. Only way we have the R10s is on our CC or CC2.

[Dino]

Christophero Sly, on Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:08 AM, said:

Dino, on Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:20 PM, said:

Not if you're sensible about it

crunchysuperman, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:09 AM, said:

Certain variants should be added. Gravitar, for example, has never been a problem.

How do you make the distinction?

I propose 2 rules:

1. If the cart is by the same company, then the labels have to be recognisable as different from afar. Eg. Gravitar has different coloured labels - silver and red. They are visually different and distinguishable from afar. They are pretty major label variations.

2. If the carts are produced by different companies, they should be included even if the label variation is minor. Eg. in relation to Sears picture label Superman, whilst the differences with the Atari label are not clear from afar, they are different companies and so both labels should be included.

[Christophero Sly]

Dino, on Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:23 PM, said:

I propose 2 rules:

1. If the cart is by the same company, then the labels have to be recognisable as different from afar. Eg. Gravitar has different coloured labels - silver and red. They are visually different and distinguishable from afar. They are pretty major label variations.

2. If the carts are produced by different companies, they should be included even if the label variation is minor. Eg. in relation to Sears picture label Superman, whilst the differences with the Atari label are not clear from afar, they are different companies and so both labels should be included.

#2 is straightforward, but #1 is too arbitrary, IMO. Visually different from afar is a highly subjective measure.

[Dino]

Christophero Sly, on Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:43 AM, said:

Dino, on Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:23 PM, said:

I propose 2 rules:

1. If the cart is by the same company, then the labels have to be recognisable as different from afar. Eg. Gravitar has different coloured labels - silver and red. They are visually different and distinguishable from afar. They are pretty major label variations.

2. If the carts are produced by different companies, they should be included even if the label variation is minor. Eg. in relation to Sears picture label Superman, whilst the differences with the Atari label are not clear from afar, they are different companies and so both labels should be included.

#2 is straightforward, but #1 is too arbitrary, IMO. Visually different from afar is a highly subjective measure.

Visually different would entail, for example, silver/black/red label for Atari. Where the difference is instantly noticeable and you don't have to look closely at the cart. It shouldn't cause too many problems at the R8 to R10 level.

[Omegamatrix]

Dino, on Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:35 PM, said:

Christophero Sly, on Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:43 AM, said:

Dino, on Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:23 PM, said:

I propose 2 rules:

1. If the cart is by the same company, then the labels have to be recognisable as different from afar. Eg. Gravitar has different coloured labels - silver and red. They are visually different and distinguishable from afar. They are pretty major label variations.

2. If the carts are produced by different companies, they should be included even if the label variation is minor. Eg. in relation to Sears picture label Superman, whilst the differences with the Atari label are not clear from afar, they are different companies and so both labels should be included.

#2 is straightforward, but #1 is too arbitrary, IMO. Visually different from afar is a highly subjective measure.

Visually different would entail, for example, silver/black/red label for Atari. Where the difference is instantly noticeable and you don't have to look closely at the cart. It shouldn't cause too many problems at the R8 to R10 level.

1. Yep, and T-Handle versus Square Case such as with Karate. Also maybe Xonox Style versus Standard Case for Boing. Those are easy to tell far away.

[Crazy Climber]

If thats the case I would like to vote the square case Condor Attack as a r10 then. Does anyone even own one???

[Christophero Sly]

Well, I guess I'm not getting my point across.

Anyway, Atari, Inc. picture label Flag Capture should be on this list.

Edited by Christophero Sly, Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:02 AM.

[Dino]

Crazy Climber, on Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:41 PM, said:

If thats the case I would like to vote the square case Condor Attack as a r10 then. Does anyone even own one???

The square case condor attacks are PAL.

[Dino]

Christophero Sly, on Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:01 AM, said:

Well, I guess I'm not getting my point across.

Anyway, Atari, Inc. picture label Flag Capture should be on this list.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference with this and a 'regular' flag capture?

[crunchysuperman]

Dino, on Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:43 PM, said:

Christophero Sly, on Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:01 AM, said:

Well, I guess I'm not getting my point across.

Anyway, Atari, Inc. picture label Flag Capture should be on this list.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference with this and a 'regular' flag capture?

Until recently, the only known picture label variant of this cartridge was the Atari Corp re-release in the mid-80's. All original Atari Inc. Flag Captures were text labels until a 1978 picture label popped up recently.