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[Gorf]

Atari_Owl, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:02 PM, said:

kevincal, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:51 PM, said:

I don't mean to sound like an arse...but wouldn't it be better if all you homebrewers got together and put your efforts towards one kickass game, instead of making all these mini games.

Never Happen.. everybody has their own ideas of what they want to do.. why put the effort in if its not something you really care about?
Not all the projects are mini

I cant help but agree with you here.

[BuddyBuddies]

Gorf, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:00 PM, said:

kevincal, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:51 PM, said:

I don't mean to sound like an arse...but wouldn't it be better if all you homebrewers got together and put your efforts towards one kickass game, instead of making all these mini games.

Or take all these minigames and as a group release them on a disc.

that would be cool

[Gorf]

BuddyBuddies, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:50 PM, said:

Gorf, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:00 PM, said:

kevincal, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:51 PM, said:

I don't mean to sound like an arse...but wouldn't it be better if all you homebrewers got together and put your efforts towards one kickass game, instead of making all these mini games.

Or take all these minigames and as a group release them on a disc.

that would be cool

I would not hold my breath there buddy.

[GT Turbo]

kevincal, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:51 PM, said:

I don't mean to sound like an arse...but wouldn't it be better if all you homebrewers got together and put your efforts towards one kickass game, instead of making all these mini games.

Hi Kevincal,

Don't forget one thing, Poong is only one 'little' game that i'm coding, never forget one thing Jagware was born for people can work together on differents projects, that is the only goal. We got big games in progress but we don't want to give any infos, surprise will be better That will be like the last option of the JagCF (New Dsp). I know that two games i'm working on will kick some ass cause featuring 'pixelkiller' for 2d graphics. Some of us (Jagware members) are democoders that means they know a lot of technics we are using on Jaguar, example let's have a look at this demo :

http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=30042

Orion has displayed a 200 colors picture on a simple ST, this one :

http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=14853

the technic use for soundtrack / borders (all the demos run in 320*260) synchronising are used in my sprite manager, that run very fast but need some work, that's the price to pay for having great games, the last thing i can tell is wait and hope all your dreams will come true But never forget, i have one dream doing one of the best game of the Jaguar and i will do all i can for that, be sure.....


GT Turbo

[kevincal]

Hey, that sounds pretty cool. And hey, weren't you the one that sent out the free Atomic's? I finally got mine! lol But I sold my Jag CD 'bout a month ago. =O Thanks though.

[Pocket]

Well, now you can buy one again

[kevincal]

No, I'm poor...lol So many bills!!! Someday, I'll get one again.

[BuddyBuddies]

Gorf, on Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:14 AM, said:

BuddyBuddies, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:50 PM, said:

Gorf, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:00 PM, said:

kevincal, on Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:51 PM, said:

I don't mean to sound like an arse...but wouldn't it be better if all you homebrewers got together and put your efforts towards one kickass game, instead of making all these mini games.

Or take all these minigames and as a group release them on a disc.

that would be cool

I would not hold my breath there buddy.

i know what you mean buddy ,but one can still dream of such a cool thing ,yes??lol...

[Gorf]

One of our carts if we ever get back to Jag, will be a multigames cart with 5-7 minigames.

[kevincal]

That would be cool. How much do ya think that would go for?

[Dew-it]

What the status of JagCF, when will it become available to the general jaguar user? How much will it cost and it there any pictures of it, what does it do for the general jaguar user? Will you be able to play games that you can no longer get such as battlsphere and be re-developed to work on the JagCF?

[BuddyBuddies]

Dew-it, on Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:58 PM, said:

What the status of JagCF, when will it become available to the general jaguar user? How much will it cost and it there any pictures of it, what does it do for the general jaguar user? Will you be able to play games that you can no longer get such as battlsphere and be re-developed to work on the JagCF?

??????? NOBODY KNOWS

[Gorf]

kevincal, on Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:56 PM, said:

That would be cool. How much do ya think that would go for?

As reasonable as we can get it to you for. Remember Gorf was only $34.95.
We don't look to make a living of Jaguar fans. There are those out there that
do,but we find that rather lousy. Carts are a pain cost wise but these games
are a bunch of simple classics in one cart. That wont be at least till late 2009
tillwe even get near that again. It is also because of contractual obligations
as a non competitive clause. So if you want to know what it is, I can't even
tell you as NDA prohibits such.


Oh, and BTW.....A little research goes a long way sometimes

[Gorf]

Dew-it, on Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:58 PM, said:

Will you be able to play games that you can no longer get such as battlsphere and be re-developed to work on the JagCF?

It is extremely unlikely you will ever see Scatologic titles reworked for CF.
The same goes for 3DSSS titles as well. We might have been more willing
to support this product had the design taken a 'safer' approach. Right now
it is wide open to invite unauthorized copying.

We don't feel like working hard on developing titles for the Jaguar to see
people copying them all over the place. This unit has fantastic potential for
good and unfortunately just as much for bad. A simple re-mapping of certain
uploading areas would have made a big difference in how we feel about this
device. Coding the Jag is tough as it is.

I do not feel the actual designer of the device lt it with bad intenet. From what
I can tell, his intentions seemed good. It is certain fans of this device that have
us concerned. We have seen posts of some making VERY disturbing remarks
about THEIR intended use of this device. One simple remap of the upload
location AWAY from the cart area is all we would ask for.

Carts start at $00800000 and boot from $00802000. Move the ram map
up to $00804000 and it makes it a cart copy proof device. That would make
us developers very happy. It seems however to have fallen on deaf ears.

I would not hold my breath for AUTHORIZED copies of our software
for this device.

[Dew-it]

Gorf, on Wed Aug 1, 2007 8:17 PM, said:

Dew-it, on Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:58 PM, said:

Will you be able to play games that you can no longer get such as battlsphere and be re-developed to work on the JagCF?

It is extremely unlikely you will ever see Scatologic titles reworked for CF.
The same goes for 3DSSS titles as well. We might have been more willing
to support this product had the design taken a 'safer' approach. Right now
it is wide open to invite unauthorized copying.

We don't feel like working hard on developing titles for the Jaguar to see
people copying them all over the place. This unit has fantastic potential for
good and unfortunately just as much for bad. A simple re-mapping of certain
uploading areas would have made a big difference in how we feel about this
device. Coding the Jag is tough as it is.

I do not feel the actual designer of the device lt it with bad intenet. From what
I can tell, his intentions seemed good. It is certain fans of this device that have
us concerned. We have seen posts of some making VERY disturbing remarks
about THEIR intended use of this device. One simple remap of the upload
location AWAY from the cart area is all we would ask for.

Carts start at $00800000 and boot from $00802000. Move the ram map
up to $00804000 and it makes it a cart copy proof device. That would make
us developers very happy. It seems however to have fallen on deaf ears.

I would not hold my breath for AUTHORIZED copies of our software
for this device.

That sucks as I would be willing to get a Authorized copy of Battlesphere, just don't want to pay $500 dollars or more to get it. I can see where that would'nt make developers happy or want to develope a authorized game for the jagaur.

[Gorf]

It does suck. Regardless of popular belief, Scatologic would probably love to make another run
but this and other issues are preventing them and us as well from releasing anything. We are
taking a wait and see approach. 3DSSS does not have anything ready yet anyway so who knows.
Maybe by the time this is released they will have corrected that ONE burning issue otherwise
preventing us from supporting that unit, one way or the other.

Edited by Gorf, Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:38 AM.

[GT Turbo]

Dew-it, on Thu Aug 2, 2007 1:58 AM, said:

What the status of JagCF, when will it become available to the general jaguar user? How much will it cost and it there any pictures of it, what does it do for the general jaguar user? Will you be able to play games that you can no longer get such as battlsphere and be re-developed to work on the JagCF?

Here comes Jag CF pictures :



This two pictures come from Sundance

http://atariamiga.fr...07/IMG_0082.php

http://atariamiga.fr...07/IMG_0083.php

For the price, no number to give. But be sure the lesser price we can do.


Hi Gorf,

Please don't relaunch the war about piracy on CF, you don't know anything about running or not roms. So please don't talk.

You write that :

We don't feel like working hard on developing titles for the Jaguar to see people copying them all over the place.

Just one question, the JagCF got a hardware protection system, the JagCD too ? So better doing CD games, with this kind of things everybody can copy games... With CF nocopy.

I don't want to relaunch war or troll, but be fairplay don't talk about things you don't know.

GT Turbo (Jagware)

[kevincal]

Gorf, on Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:03 PM, said:

kevincal, on Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:56 PM, said:

That would be cool. How much do ya think that would go for?

As reasonable as we can get it to you for. Remember Gorf was only $34.95.
We don't look to make a living of Jaguar fans. There are those out there that
do,but we find that rather lousy. Carts are a pain cost wise but these games
are a bunch of simple classics in one cart. That wont be at least till late 2009
tillwe even get near that again. It is also because of contractual obligations
as a non competitive clause. So if you want to know what it is, I can't even
tell you as NDA prohibits such.


Oh, and BTW.....A little research goes a long way sometimes

I figured it would be affordable for the average person, as I knew Gorf Classic was only $30 something. So that is very cool. And what are you implying about this "research?"

[Gorf]

GT Turbo, on Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:43 PM, said:

Hi Gorf,

Please don't relaunch the war about piracy on CF, you don't know anything about running or not roms. So please don't talk.

You write that :

We don't feel like working hard on developing titles for the Jaguar to see people copying them all over the place.

Just one question, the JagCF got a hardware protection system, the JagCD too ? So better doing CD games, with this kind of things everybody can copy games... With CF nocopy.

I don't want to relaunch war or troll, but be fairplay don't talk about things you don't know.

GT Turbo (Jagware)

Carts....which everyone likes better and everyone can play.

I plan on releasing only one more CD for the Jag. It will be Gorf
Classic for the Cyctic Fibrosis charity if Midway approves. Anything
else will be cart. Oh yeah Terance will release Mighty Frog on CD
too but that is the end of CD's for just the reasons you mentioned.
Seeing people looking to copy Gorf was when i decided that.
If they want to copy a cart it will cost them big time and they'd
have to be able to do all the work or at least know someone who
can. I think I have very valid an reasonable concern of the device
and I am answering someone's inquiry on the subject.

Im not reworking Gorf for cart either. CD will bring in a good deal
of cash over a cart anyway and cash is what Im trying to raise for
the fund.

A question was asked and I answered it honestly. There is no war.
That is in your mind. However, there is a major concern and I
know nothing of the protection scheme that would make me feel
any safer.

At this point a re-map of the upload area is the only thing that would
turn me around. Its a few lines of code in the VHDL. Im sorry but
there is no good/practical reason to map it in the cart area other
than to run roms. Mapping it another $2000 higher will solve the
problem completely. No cart will be able to run. HOmebrew can
be bigger and use the new area and the Jag's 2 megs. The device
is really interesting but that one issue is the whole issue.

Edited by Gorf, Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:41 PM.

[Gorf]

GT....this was never personal.....please try to see what we are saying.
No one wants to discourage you or anyone from supporting the Jaguar.

We only ask you do it considerably with us other developers in mind and
our concerns. That is all I've ever wanted from this debate.

Edited by Gorf, Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:43 PM.

[Orion_]

cart is just a pain to produce today, and cost too much, not all developer can afford nor have the possibilities to make cart game...
and by the way, there is no official thing saying the jagcf will be able to load cart game yet...
again, we just asked if people want it... not that it will be done...

Edited by Orion_, Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:05 PM.

[BuddyBuddies]

Orion_, on Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:03 PM, said:

cart is just a pain to produce today, and cost too much, not all developer can afford nor have the possibilities to make cart game...
and by the way, there is no official thing saying the jagcf will be able to load cart game yet...
again, we just asked if people want it... not that it will be done...

humm,carts are a pain in the ass to produce,but definetly will sell more than cd id imagine.....id support the Jagcf if it was guaranteed not to load cart games...... it is interesting to say the least......

[Gorf]

Orion_, on Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:03 PM, said:

cart is just a pain to produce today, and cost too much, not all developer can afford nor have the possibilities to make cart game...
and by the way, there is no official thing saying the jagcf will be able to load cart game yet...
again, we just asked if people want it... not that it will be done...

Understood and has been the ONLY issue any of us have had against the CF, a device that
could indeed help expand the Jaguar userbase if it is made with that one little re-map. It can
also cuase a mess as well, in its current configuration.

[superjudge3]

You know what killed the Sega Dreamcast off? The real reason it died early? PIRACY! Sega screwed up big time by making the Dreamcast able to read burned CDs (I know its not the same issue with the Jaguar or CF). People were just burning games for each other and not buying the real things.

As a songwriter and musician, I know first hand, copyright infringement sucks ass big time!!!

[Pocket]

Piracy never killed the DC. Software sales were excellent in US & Europe (Japan gamers don't pirate that much). Even when Sega canned the DC and when Big Ben took the distribution in Europe, they were surprised by the excellent sales : 2x more they were expecting for most titles. Without these performances, we would not have seen the last titles released.

If you want the real reason, I suggest you to have a look at the top head of the company : who died, and who had the power next. And a serious look at last DCs Christmas sales vs PS2 (hardware).