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[salkatt]

can ntsc carts be used on a pal system from europe...????
you guessed it i'm in the uk, so we are stuck with pal machines....
not good normally, but at least we got sentinal....

[Mitch]

salkatt said:

can ntsc carts be used on a pal system from europe...????
you guessed it i'm in the uk, so we are stuck with pal machines....
not good normally, but at least we got sentinal....

Some will partially work, others will not work at all. It depends on the game.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Mayhem]

Definitely Mitch... in my experience, you'll get three types of possibility:

Small glitches - nothing too major, just the odd graphical problem or wrapping of the screen (as a PAL system has 100 extra lines to NTSC). Examples here being Ms Pacman, Water Ski, Tank Command.

Huge glitches - game runs, but is practically unplayable due to the fact most if not all of the screen is glitched up. Examples here being Touchdown Football, Ninja Golf.

Crash - game doesn't run, or crashes a few seconds in. Examples here being Midnight Mutants, Summer/Winter Games, Robotron.

I believe I own all the regular Atari PAL 7800 releases... I'm just after a few NTSC only ones (Summer Games, both Baseballs) and the hard to find HES releases...

@Salkatt... I have a number of PAL 7800 games for trade, all boxed and complete. PM/Email me if you are interested...

[Jetboot Jack]

Was there a PAL release of Robotron?

I have all my PAL collection over here - its pretty complete - and don't want to get ANOTHER 7800 (that ould make 5) just for one game

sTeVE

[Mitch]

There have been no confirmed copies of PAL Robotron found, yet. I suppose there's still a possibility that one could turn up. Here's my list of available 7800 games including PAL/NTSC listings.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[MattyXB]

I have played Tower Toppler NTSC on PAL console, but it has Huge glitches. Near unplayable, only if you know the levels very good, and play often.

But later I have get it in PAL. First I have think this was only release in NTSC. But now I have both, NTSC complete and PAL only cartridge.

[Jetboot Jack]

Damnit Mitch - there are 5 Atari games that are NTSC only (plus some protos) - looks like I may have to get an NTSC unit afterall...

My wife will kill me!!!

sTeVE

[rdemming]

Mitch said:

There have been no confirmed copies of PAL Robotron found, yet. I suppose there's still a possibility that one could turn up. Here's my list of available 7800 games including PAL/NTSC listings.

Mitchhttp://atari7800.atari.org

What about Asteroids. As far as I know it was build-in in each PAL console but was it ever released as a PAL cart. Telegames in the UK has it on their list but they don't say it is NTSC. It seems a bit silly to release it as cart if every PAL console has it build-in.

Robert

[Mitch]

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What about Asteroids. As far as I know it was build-in in each PAL console but was it ever released as a PAL cart. Telegames in the UK has it on their list but they don't say it is NTSC. It seems a bit silly to release it as cart if every PAL console has it build-in.

Yes, I wondered about that too. So I emailed them and they said it was PAL. I bought it and found out it was NTSC, so I returned it. That was the only mention I've ever been able to find of a PAL Asteroids cart. I guess there never was one.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Mitch]

Jet Boot Jack said:

there are 5 Atari games that are NTSC only (plus some protos) - looks like I may have to get an NTSC unit afterall...

Actually eight, if you include the third party games. You should be able to pick up a loose console for pretty cheap though, since you already have the rest of the accesories.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Mayhem]

To my knowledge, there is no PAL Asteroids cart.

Only 8 NTSC only games? Well I'd still include the ones HES put out because:

a) they're bloody difficult to find
b) they may not have actually been officially licensed

At least I have Tank Command heh

[Mitch]

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Only 8 NTSC only games? Well I'd still include the ones HES put out because:

b) they may not have actually been officially licensed

Oh really? Read the fine print.



Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Jetboot Jack]

I was only counting Atari products -sorry...

The Absoulute games and Double Dragon are REAL easy to get in PAL format - I've had MANY copies of each - SALU distributed them in the UK...

Of course I now need to get 6 games - I have to include Rampage too (oh and maybe those 2 unreleased ones - damnit!)

So it looks more promising by the minute - now where can I get a boxed system from - and as early as possible!

sTeVE

[Fretwobbler]

salkatt said:

can ntsc carts be used on a pal system from europe...????
you guessed it i'm in the uk, so we are stuck with pal machines....
not good normally, but at least we got sentinal....

ive got 16 Sears games and they all work fine and dont flicker on my 7800, i dont know if the colors are right though

Adam

[Mitch]

Fretwobbler said:

salkatt said:

can ntsc carts be used on a pal system from europe...????
you guessed it i'm in the uk, so we are stuck with pal machines....
not good normally, but at least we got sentinal....

ive got 16 Sears games and they all work fine and dont flicker on my 7800, i dont know if the colors are right though

Adam

Yes, 2600 games will be OK, it's 7800 games that have problems.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Mayhem]

@Mitch... fair dues... but HES were notorious on the C64 for not licensing some of their cart output

@Jet Boot Jack... I have Super Skateboarding but that's about it. If you've got complete PAL copies of the other Absolute games and Double Dragon spare, let me know!

Actually I already have the Double Dragon box... it was also used for HES' C64 cart release of the game. Ultra rare that one...

[Propane13]

Hi all,

I never really got into collecting PAL 7800 stuff-- are the only differences the colors and the scanlines, or are there other interesteing tweaks (different sprites, etc...) that would make my buying of PAL games worth it (besides for collector value)? I can see the obvious advantages one-way-- if you're not in the US, you missed out on some games. But, the other way, you only missed out on a finishable Impossible Mission and an officially released Sentinel. Are there any other good reasons to start collecting PAL? I'm wondering if it's worth it to start down that path. Must... fight... urge to collect... by being rationale.

Thanks,
-John K. Harvey

[Mayhem]

Nah, not really... it's only the fact that the two different 7800s are incompatible means I'm stuck buying the versions I have to. Otherwise I would have an NTSC 7800 and proper stock. Hmm... now if that proposed 7800 with S-video comes out, THEN there'd be a chance

[Jetboot Jack]

Mayhem - I have dupes of all but F18 (I think)...

All opened but complete...

sTeVE

[Mitch]

Jet Boot Jack said:

Mayhem - I have dupes of all but F18 (I think)...

All opened but complete...

sTeVE

You don't, by chance, have an extra HES Baseball do you? That's the last HES 7800 game I need besides the picture label versions of F18 and F14.

Mitch
http://atari7800.atari.org

[Mayhem]

@JBJ... PM sent regarding your 7800 spares!

[MattyXB]

MayhemUK said:

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Small glitches - nothing too major, just the odd graphical problem or wrapping of the screen (as a PAL system has 100 extra lines to NTSC). Examples here being Water Ski.
...
and the hard to find HES releases...
...

Wow, great to know, that Water Ski will work. I have buy it on eBay for a good price, and wonder me if this will work.

And I have get too 2 HES games. Not know, that they so Rare. On DP they listed as 5.

[Mayhem]

Jetboot Jack had a few spare that I picked up a while back... but I still need Pete Rose Baseball and F18 Hornet from the HES stuff. Missed both recently on eBay too bah! And Rampage, but that's NTSC only...

[MattyXB]

I get only:
Super Skateboardin' (HES) cartridge only
Title Match Pro Wrestling (HES) complete

And I want too all HES releases.