ABBUC productions 2008

[Bunsen]

Inspired by criticism from KAZ (e.g. in this thread: http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118936) about ABBUC I prepared a list of ABBUC productions in 2008

 

...only 3 internal games per year

 

We don't really know what is inside, ...

 

 

1) Wolfram "Mega-Hz" Fischer, ABBUC-Nr. 180: Bau, Verkauf und Einbau von SIO2SD, sowie von Speichererweiterungen.

2, 3) Karolj "Heaven" Nadj, ABBUC-Nr. 848: Spielentwicklung: Beyond Evil, MetaLlamas

4) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Bau, Verkauf, Support und Weiterentwicklung von SIO2USB.

5) Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199): Softwareentwicklung: atr help v1.00 (Tool für SIO2USB, PC Software)

6) Christian "darthmaul" Wyk, ABBUC-Nr. 40: Softwareentwicklung: Atari ATR Image Corrector (Tool für SIO2USB, PC Software)

7) Ralf "pps" Patschke, ABBUC-Nr. 53: Softwareentwicklung: NewYear Disk 2008, Demos: Snowman Intro, Rasenspriess Schaf, New Year in Berlin

8 ) Christoph "Hardwaredoc" Büssow, ABBUC-Nr. 177: Hardwareentwicklung: 16-fach-OS-Selector mit Digitaldisplay

9) Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199): Softwareentwicklung: atr help v1.10 (Tool für SIO2USB)

10) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Firmwareupdate V04.17.04 für SIO2USB.

11) Wolfgang Burger, ABBUC-Nr. 1 + Team (Marga Burger, Andreas Koch, Oliver Rapp, Andreas Bertelmann, Erhard Pütz, Gunnar Kanold, Andreas Mischka, Stefan Johnigk): Herausgabe des ABBUC Magazins #92, Herausgabe des ABBUC Sondermagazins #39.

12) Ralf "pps" Patschke, ABBUC-Nr. 53: Softwareentwicklung: Demo: GFX 0 Scrolls

13) Ralf "pps" Patschke, ABBUC-Nr. 53: Softwareentwicklung: Demo: proAF

14) Carsten "cas" Strotmann, ABBUC Nr. 606: Spielentwicklung: Jeopardy (Multijoy)

15) Stefan "dietrich" Dorndorf, ABBUC Nr. 105: Spielentwicklung: Der Hürdenläufer

16) Matthias "Schmutzpuppe" Lüdtke: Spielentwicklung: NewSF

17) Martin "Ghost" Metz, ABBUC Nr. 17: Spielentwicklung: Paradroid

18 ) Ulf "kuestenturm" Petersen, ABBUC Nr. 807: Softwareentwicklung: Musik: Star Trek Theme

19-32) Mario "emkay" Krix, ABBUC Nr. 23: Softwareentwicklung: Musik: itsasin, robocop.end, robocop.end (pokey dream edit), hm...., mission impossicut, mission impossicut (enhanced), impressions, Itsamee, ancient times, sll2me, wizballsong, bizarre, outrun loop, cybernoid

33) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Softwareentwicklung: Tool für SIO2USB: S2UTIME.COM (Real Time Clock Treiber für verschiedene DOS)

34) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Firmwareupdate V04.18.05 für SIO2USB.

35) Ingo "tuxie" Uhlemann, ABBUC Nr.84: Bau, Verkauf und Einbau von SIO2IDE 3.3a

36) Matthias "HiassofT" Reichl, ABBUC Nr. 30: Softwareentwicklung: Highspeed SIO Patch V1.10

37) Wolfgang Burger, ABBUC-Nr. 1 + Team (Marga Burger, Andreas und Debora Koch, Oliver Rapp, Andreas Bertelmann, Gunnar Kanold, Stefan Johnigk, Walter Lojek, Dirk Tröger, Stefan Meyer, Stefan Dorndorf, Helmut Weidner): Herausgabe des ABBUC Magazins #93

38 ) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Firmwareupdate V04.19.10 für SIO2USB.

39) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Softwareentwicklung: Tool für SIO2USB: Shell V1.10

40) Matthias "HiassofT" Reichl, ABBUC Nr. 30: Softwareentwicklung: Highspeed SIO Patch V1.12

41) Wolfgang Burger, ABBUC-Nr. 1 + Team (Marga Burger, Winfried Fiedler, Oliver Rapp, Gunnar Kanold, Dirk Tröger, Stefan Meyer, Stefan Dorndorf, Andreas Mischka, Peter Glaesner, Fillippo Santellocco, Christoph Büssow, Bernd Herale, Wolfram Fischer, Florian Dingler): Herausgabe des ABBUC Magazins #94 und des Sondermagazins #40

42) Stefan "dietrich" Dorndorf, ABBUC Nr. 105: Softwareentwicklung: XDOS 2.42

43) Stefan "dietrich" Dorndorf, ABBUC Nr. 105: Softwareentwicklung: YASH 1.0 (Tool für SIO2USB)

44) Christoph "Hardwaredoc" Büssow, ABBUC-Nr. 177: Hardwareentwicklung: 16xOS Umschalter PLUS / BIOS4Config

45) Bernd Herale, ABBUC-Nr. 250: Hardwareentwicklung: 512K SRam-Erweiterung

46) Wolfram Fischer, ABBUC-Nr. 180: Hardwareentwicklung: ABBUC SIO Connector Board

47) ABBUC-RAF (Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199), Harry Reminder (Nr. 11), Carsten "cas" Strotmann (Nr. 606), Florian "Flo" Dingler (Nr. 406)): Firmwareupdate V04.20.02 für SIO2USB.

48 ) Thomas "Artax" Grasel (Nr. 199): Softwareentwicklung: SIO2USB ATR Tool Suite (für PC)

49) Mathias "Hiassoft" Reichl (Abbuc Nr. 30): Software-Entwicklung - Picoboot

50) Matthias "Hiassoft" Reichl (ABBUC Nr. 30): Firmwareupdate 3.02 für Turbo Freezer XL/XE

51) Michael Probst, ABBUC Nr. 182: Softwareentwicklung: PIXLator Version 2.5.1 (für PC)

52) Mario "emkay" Krix, ABBUC Nr. 23: Softwareentwicklung: Musik: alloy_run pokey double riff

53) Florian "Flo" Dingler, ABBUC Nr. 406: Softwareentwicklung: Peripheral Test Version 2.0

54) Wolfgang Burger, ABBUC-Nr. 1 + Team (Marga Burger, Ralf Patschke, Dieter Gretzschel, Oliver Rapp, Gunnar Kanold, Stefan Meyer, Stefan Dorndorf, Florian Dingler, Jürgen van Radecke, Michael Probst, Andreas Koch, Marc Brings, Thorsten Helbing): Herausgabe des ABBUC Magazins #95

55) Andreas "CharlieChaplin" Koch, ABBUC Nr. 204: Anwendung: TIP-Animationen

56) Ralf "pps" Patschke, ABBUC-Nr. 53: Softwareentwicklung: NewYear Disk 2009, Demos: Happy New Year, Xmas 2K8

57) Mario "emkay" Krix, ABBUC Nr. 23: Softwareentwicklung: Musik: Xmas Synth

58 ) Dieter "Old Man Tower" Gretzschel: Spielentwicklung: The last Match

59) Dieter "Old Man Tower" Gretzschel: Softwareentwicklung: Quadratische Gleichungen

60) Thorsten Helbing: Softwareentwicklung: Trickfilm: Der ABBUC zieht um

 

 

You can see the activities from abbuc members are manyfold. Most of the productions are public available. Many members release their stuff here in atariage. Some of the productions you can find on the homepages of the authors or somewhere else in the internet. Very few productions are available only for members (for example the paper mag).

 

Last year the number of members growed from 398 to 412!

[Marius]

And don't forget me

 

Marius from Inspiration Soft (Abbuc Member 246) who composed music for Animal Party and (when Wolfgang did use it...) Abbuc Intro for magazin #96...

 

Hehe... It always good to talk about... yourself (ugh)

 

Greetz.

M.

[Kaz atarionline.pl]

Thanks Bunsen for the list, very interesting and finally we all know what is going on. This is bright point and I'm really appreciate that my criticism was taken in the good way.

 

Let's back to activity matter. I was reading this list carefuly (it could be good to translate some German words for AtariAge audience, but Google translator helps anyway). I'm very suprised, but it seems that activity of ABBUC is much poorer than I thought! You have 412 members and only 60 points on the list for full year... there are some minor software updates on your list, some very, very small jobs released on AtariAge, not even on ABBUC forum (yes, I'm reading this from time to time), etc. Moreover, you count in all ABBUC members activity on Atari forums, even it is not triggered off by ABBUC, not develeped under ABBUC wings, not connected to club in any way (for example: TIP animations were created thanks to TeBe's program, completly not related to ABBUC).

 

When we are talking about ABBUC activity I meant activity CREATED by club, ENCOURAGED by club rules, NOT activity of people who are just active around all forums because of their passion. If I will became member of ABBUC tommorow it means that all things I'm doing are ABBUC activities? Don't think so. If I will make a demo for ABBUC - yes, work for your compo - yes, articles for your newsletter - yes, maintenance for ABBUC site - yes. But counting everything what members are doing, not really related to ABBUC, not coused by ABBUC is cheating yourself.

 

Don't get me wrong! I really impressed by some ABBUC members like Carsten Strotmann (Atari wiki, I don't see on you list) or Stefan Dorndorf, but there is only few really active people for 412 members... This is disaster in my eyes!

 

Obviously it is not my business how do you manage your organisation until your members are happy enough and like to pay for membership . But I remember time when ABBUC was really strong, people were impressed by ABBUC intros/demos, etc. and _I miss it_. From my point of view ABBUC didn't notice era of internet and overslept. You are not strong in new technologies (web site!), the best channel to popularise Atari, most of ABBUC members didn't hear about new ideas like Open Source, Freeware, GNU, etc. (I refer to internal poll about compo rules).

 

That's my point of view, wasn't my goal to hurt anyone, don't beat me .

[_Fandal_]

I'm ABBUC member as well...

 

And I really don't see what's is going on here. I don't agree with Kaz in many questions but that is not a reason for me to critize him.

 

ABBUC is a Atari club with paid membership. And what? ABBUC is releasing professionaly printed magazine and it's organizing great HW a SW compos with big money prices.

 

It's amazing that ABBUC club still exist. It has hundreds of members who decided to support 8-bit Atari by paying membership. Most of members are not active but that's normal. Most of AA members are not "active" as well! They don't create anything new but what? They just love A8 and that's it...

 

F.

[Marius]

I understand your post Kaz, and yes: things people do create on their own, does not automatically mean that was an abbuc production.

 

But don't forget the unmeasurable part. The fact abbuc has so many members, and send these members on a frequent base a nice booklet with a disk, keeps the minds together. There have been moments in my atari life, the atari passion was really really low... I almost decided to sell all the stuff, and then the postman delivered abbuc magazin. Ah and there was the passion back.

 

Ofcourse ABBUC doesn't do everything. And ofcourse they have their 'weak' points. But for some reason I personally feel, and obviously you don't, abbuc is a very kind and nice group, which is the only group of members this large, so they must do things really good.

 

Yes, there are larger communities perhaps, but I think lot of abbuc members know eachother, which I don't see on other communities.

 

And what about all these east-european atari sites? They keep talking in their own funny polish language. That is a backward behavior. The east-european people have lots of good ideas make fantastic stuff, and have fantastic knowledge about atari hardware/software, but they communicate only in this strange language. In my point of view that is stupid! So because I think so, they should change that? ofcourse not!

 

And so is with abbuc. Like it... or not. And if you join membership, you are able to vote at the meeting, and might try to change things. But changing a large community is and always will be hard.

 

I have been member for a long time, and I know things really change, and it is getting better and better. Thanks of their effort.

 

No. I really love abbuc, and I will stay member till it quits.

 

Greetz

Marius

[xxl]

> They keep talking in their own funny polish language

 

w Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie

 

peace :-)

[Kaz atarionline.pl]

I'm ABBUC member as well... And I really don't see what's is going on here.

 

It should be easy to understand - people use constructive criticism to improve things .

 

I don't agree with Kaz in many questions but that is not a reason for me to critize him.

 

Strange, I saw a huge criticism of Kaz activity on your blog (in Czech language) . I was reading it carefully to improve my ideas or to get know how to convince people like you to change your mind.

 

ABBUC is a Atari club with paid membership.

 

Truism.

 

ABBUC is releasing professionaly printed magazine and it's organizing great HW a SW compos with big money prices.

 

Truism. Did I criticise bright points?

 

It's amazing that ABBUC club still exist.

 

Truism.

 

It has hundreds of members who decided to support 8-bit Atari by paying membership.

 

The same truism again.

 

Most of members are not active but that's normal. Most of AA members are not "active" as well!

 

No, this is not normal. The organised club with formal status and aims, with people chosen for special tasks (ie. hardware departament, etc) is something different than forum, where people discuss ideas and there are no strong strings (by definition). Forum is tool to exchange ideas, to find partners in projects or just to talk. The club have more possiblities to engage people into real activity. When you know your club-mate personally it's easier to convince him to do something for community than to convince someone on the forum. Obviously not everyone will be engaged, but results - 20 people for 412 is under the accepted minimum.

 

They don't create anything new but what? They just love A8 and that's it...

 

I'm sure they do. However it is not about love to A8, but about making people more active. I thought that ABBUC members should really care how to make ABBUC really strong and powerful and how to activate own members. Seems that I care more about than some ABBUC members, strange.

 

But don't forget the unmeasurable part.

 

I always remember! Belive me, I know about ABBUC much more than some of their members. Let's name some bright sides I see:

- long, long history and glory tradition!

- paper magazine

- software compo

- many members

- budget for projects

- few genius programmers like Carsten or Stefan Dorndorf

- nice parties with familiar atmosphere.

 

However there is dark side as well:

- very small activity of members

- terrible website - unclear, uncomfortable, hard to navigate especially in English version (ie. have you ever tried to find results of ABBUC software compo in 2004?)

- software compo with "closed-mind" rules (I explained this in another topic)

- not interested in cooperation with non-ABBUC members (verbal interesting is not real one)

- poor "marketing" in non-German-speaking world (a lot of very nice ABBUC projects are not translated into English).

 

And what about all these east-european atari sites? They keep talking in their own funny polish language.

 

Give me a budget of ABBUC and I will translate the biggest Polish sites into all Europen languages and Chineese too . Anyway, you almost touched the problem: if you don't read ABBUC site you don't miss anything important in Atari world! If you not tracking sites in this funny Polish language, you can miss a lot of new software and hardware. What's the reason?

 

Like it... or not. And if you join membership, you are able to vote at the meeting, and might try to change things. But changing a large community is and always will be hard.

 

True. I don't like dark sides of ABBUC but it is not my business to change it when members don't want to. When I would became a ABBUC member I will be in the same situation: no chance to change if majority is voting against me. I KNOW that some ABBUC members are in the same situation - they would like to change things, but they are clamped.

 

I helped ABBUC when I could (for example with translation of JVH invitation - this was curiosity by the way - I had to ask ABBUC about, ABBUC didn't ask anyone from Polish atarians), I help attract people by ABBUC showing your stuff and your achievements and discussing about, presenting ABBUC members and their work (Ralph Patschke, Karolj Nadj, Carsten Strotmann, Mario Krix, Dieter Gretzschel, Andreas Koch and others). Did ABBUC do it for Polish Atarians? Did ABBUC do it for AtariAge community? I don't even ask if ABBUC have ever presented Polish Atarians .

 

Finally - I cooperate with people, who are ABBUC members and some of them are my friends. I don't need ABBUC restrictions to do it .

[Heaven/TQA]

some valid points here on both side...

 

I have to agree to Kaz somehow...

 

look... the 5,25 + paper mag is nice retro feeling but I don't see a lot ABBUC members coding things... (most of them are hardware gurus... )

 

I coded a lot of intros for ABBUC mags at a time when I was proud that some stuff of mine was released... but due to internet and Atariage I am not often at the ABBUC website + forum. That's true...and when reading Kaz' post I now realise why...

 

simply as there is not much community stuff going on? Projects are happen here at Atariage or Atarionline.pl or some czech sites?

 

Abbuc people who are coding:

 

- Hiassoft

- Bunsen

- Emkay (msx)

- Carsten

- Andreas

- me

...

 

? really and where is the rest?

 

Kaz is right... where are the ABBUC members helping me finalising Beyond Evil? I tend to always ask Miker, Emkay, PG, Kaz to help me...

 

Look, I asked even C64 guys who are living near me here in South Germany that we can code together? Maybe I should ask ABBUC members first... but...

[Kaz atarionline.pl]

helping me finalising Beyond Evil

 

Little offtopic, sorry - I have new version of titlescreen and need you decisions about game over pic. Will PM you.

[ThomSW]

>> They don't create anything new but what? They just love A8 and that's it...

 

 

> I'm sure they do. However it is not about love to A8, but about making people more active. I thought that ABBUC members should really care how to make ABBUC really strong and powerful and how to activate own members. Seems that I care more about than some ABBUC members, strange.

 

Paid love? Sounds familiar...

 

[Heaven/TQA]

helping me finalising Beyond Evil

 

Little offtopic, sorry - I have new version of titlescreen and need you decisions about game over pic. Will PM you.

 

Cool!

[Gury]

I wish there was English version of ABBUC magazine. I would probably subscribe then.

[+Allan]

I wish there was English version of ABBUC magazine. I would probably subscribe then.

Me too.

 

Allan

[spookt]

I wish there was English version of ABBUC magazine. I would probably subscribe then.

Me too.

 

Allan

 

Me three - it was an option when I bought my SIO2USB but since it's German language I decided not to. BTW I have to say that the SIO2USB folks from ABBUC have given me great support and are extremely helpful and friendly

[Bunsen]

Abbuc people who are coding:

 

- Hiassoft

- Bunsen

- Emkay (msx)

- Carsten

- Andreas

- me

...

 

? really and where is the rest?

 

...another list

 

No, Bunsen isn't a coder.

 

Me known coders who are members of ABBUC:

 

Frantisek Houra "fandal"

Karolj Nadj "heaven"

Stefan Dorndorf "dietrich", ABBUC HAR

Jiri Bernasek "bewe soft"

Florian Dingler "flo", ABBUC RAF

Dieter Gretzschel "old man tower"

Thorsten Helbing

Carsten Strotmann "cas", ABBUC RAF

Thomas Grasel "artax", ABBUC RAF

Matthias Reichl "hiassoft"

Holger Bommer "rockford"

Martin Metz "ghost" ABBUC RAF

Ralf Patschke "pps"

Michael Probst "mpone"

Christian Wyk "darthmaul"

Nils Rennhack "nille", ABBUC RENO

Erhard Pütz "floppydoc", "atreju"

Winfried Fiedler

Mirko Sobe "atarixle" BOSS

Stefan Niestegge "beetle"

Marc Brings "sleepy"

Matthias Lüdtke "schmutzpuppe"

Harry Reminder

Winfried Piegsda

...

 

I'm sure I forgot somebody again (sorry Marius )

These are the people that came into my mind. They coded something in the last 2-3 years

Most of them aren't interested in coding games.

[Heaven/TQA]

yeah...but look...as Kaz mentioned...not many compared to the existing 400+ members?

 

but same to polish/czech guys

 

Raster

xxl

Kaz

Miker

xray

PG

...

 

???

[+Philsan]

Hey, I'm a recent ABBUC member and a coder (in the lower end of the scale...)!

 

I don't understand German (perhaps the only ABBUC member) so I would like to read at least some contributions in English on the ABBUC Magazine.

 

And I would like an English version of Atarionline.pl too!

Edited March 9, 2009 by Philsan

[Bunsen]

yeah...but look...as Kaz mentioned...not many compared to the existing 400+ members?

 

Yes, but these are only the software guys. There are as many or more active hardware guys. And there are people like Wolfgang Burger, Walter Lojek, Andreas Koch, Andreas Bertelmann and me which are neither software nor hardware developers. They are managing "only" a bit work for the club like organizing events, writing articles, editing magazines, ....

 

These are about 120-150 active members which are doing something for the club and/or for the community.

 

And ofcourse it is possible to be a "normal user" without visible club activities, who "only" likes to be a member, who "only" loves Atari and who "only" likes to read the magazine. And 30 EUR club fees per year isn't that much.

[miker]

Some more:

- Vega

- TeBe

- stRing

- Xlent

- Caruso (back from nowhere , author of music in Spy Master and gfx in Rockman)

- Vidol

- Dely

- Electron

- Drac030 (KMK)

 

Not-so-active, but still...:

- Jaskier

- Sikor

- Pajero

- lewiS

- Pirx

 

Hardware-gurus:

- Pigula

- Lotharek

- Candle

- Simius

- Jer

- Seban (yes - he still lives)

- Zenon

 

all in random order (maybe forgot some of them, too!)

 

So - looks fairly comparable.

[Heaven/TQA]

so.... where are the US boys?

[miker]

Yeah, forgot about:

- Tezz (gfx in Bomb Jack and some forthcoming projects)

- Urborg (Kolony 2106)

- Pavros (IK+ is NOT dead)

- Irwin (another secret project is slooowly coming)

- Larek

and other ones (really - not as few as it seems)

[xxl]

and from Netherlands:

 

- Eru

- Powrooz

- Pr0be

- Fox

- Krap

- Magnus

- Laoo

Edited March 9, 2009 by xxl

[Heaven/TQA]

Bryan, Rybags, Kj...

[Allas]

I wish there was English version of ABBUC magazine. I would probably subscribe then.

Me too.

 

Allan

 

Me three - it was an option when I bought my SIO2USB but since it's German language I decided not to. BTW I have to say that the SIO2USB folks from ABBUC have given me great support and are extremely helpful and friendly

 

me four !

[Cybernoid]

I wish there was English version of ABBUC magazine. I would probably subscribe then.

Me too.

 

Allan

 

Me three - it was an option when I bought my SIO2USB but since it's German language I decided not to. BTW I have to say that the SIO2USB folks from ABBUC have given me great support and are extremely helpful and friendly

 

me four !

 

 

Hey, maybe we can start an English SIG of ABBUC. I would certainly devote some of my time to translate the German magazine into English.