Atari Smeghead Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) Hi everyone! For no particular reason (other than the anal-retentive collector in me) I decided to do a definitive "cartridge style list" for the Lynx. I know it's been mostly done before, and Eric has a really good start on it (as does AtariAge itself) but both are missing variations on some of the newer carts. I just want to know about every, single variation. I mean, why not, right? Here's what I've come up with: 161 cartridges - 13 different cart styles Alien vs Predator *Demo* - Green PCB 1 Alpine Games - Green PCB 1 Alpine Games Bonus Cart - Green PCB 1 A.P.B. - Curved Awesome Golf - Curved Baseball Heroes - Curved Basketbrawl - Curved Batman Returns - Curved BattleWheels - Curved Battlezone 2000 - Curved Bill & Ted - Curved Bitchy (only 20 created) - Blue PCB Block Out - Curved Blue Lightning - Curved, Ridged, Flat Blue Lightning *Demo* - Curved, Green PCB 1 Bubble Trouble - Green PCB 1, Green PCB 3, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2 California Games - Curved, Ridged, Flat Centipede 2000 *Demo* - Green PCB 1 CGE 5th Anniversary - Black PCB 1 Championship Rally - Black PCB 1 Checkered Flag - Curved Chip's Challenge - Curved, Ridged, Flat Crystal Mines II - Curved Crystal Mines II:Buried Treasure - Black PCB 1 Cyber Virus - Black PCB 1 Daemon's Gate *Demo* - Green PCB 1 Desert Strike - Curved, Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2 Dinolympics - Curved Dirty Larry - Curved Double Dragon - Curved, Black PCB 1 Dracula the Undead - Curved Dragnet *Sound Demo* - Green PCB 1 Electrocop - Curved, Ridged, Flat Euro Soccer Challenge - Curved Eye of the Beholder *Beta pre-release* - Green PCB 1 Eye of the Beholder *Demo* - Green PCB 1 Fat Bobby - Black PCB 1 (1 w/ block label, 1 w/ color label), Black PCB 2, Green PCB 1 (Alt Version), Green PCB 3 Fidelity Ultimate Chess - Curved Gates of Zendocon - Curved, Ridged, Flat Gauntlet - Curved, Ridged Gordo 106 - Curved Hard Drivin' - Curved Hockey - Curved Hot Dog – Blue PCB (no hole) Hydra - Curved Hyperdrome - Black PCB 1 (1 w/ block label, 1 w/ color label), Green PCB 1 Ishido - Curved Jimmy Connors Tennis - Curved Joust - Curved Klax - Curved, Japanese Curved Version Krazy Ace Min Golf - Black PCB 1, Green PCB 3 Kung Food - Curved Lemmings - Curved Lexis - Green PCB 1, Green PCB 2, Black PCB 1 Lode Runner *Demo* - Green PCB 1 Loopz - Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1 Lynx Casino - Curved, Black PCB 2 Lynx Diagnostic - Green PCB 1 Lynx Flashcart - Red PCB Lynx Reloaded - Green PCB 1 Lynxopoly - White PCB Malibu Bikini Volleyball - Curved Marlboro Man *Demo* - Green PCB 1 MegaPak Vol 1 - Black PCB 1 Ms. Pacman - Curved NFL Football - Curved Ninja Gaiden - Curved Ninja Gaiden III - Curved Othello - Green PCB 1 Pac-Land - Curved Paperboy - Curved Pinball Jam - Curved Pit-Fighter - Curved P.I.T.S. - Green PCB 1 Poker – Black PCB (no hole) Pokermania - Green PCB 1 Ponx - Green PCB 1, Green PCB 2, Black PCB 1 Pounce - Green PCB 1 Power Factor - Curved Qix - Curved Raiden - Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2 Rampage - Curved Rampart - Curved Relief Pitcher – Green PCB 1 Remnant - Green PCB 1, Green PCB 2, Black PCB 1 RoadBlasters - Curved Road Riot- Green PCB 1 Robo-Squash - Curved Robotron: 2084 - Curved Rygar - Curved Scrapyard Dog - Curved SFX - Green PCB 1, Green PCB 2, Black PCB 1 Shadow of the Beast - Curved Shanghai - Curved S.I.M.I.S - Green PCB 1 Sokomania - Green PCB 1 Solitaire! – Red PCB (round hole) Steel Talons - Curved S.T.U.N. Runner - Curved Super Asteroids/Misl Cmd - Curved Super Off-Road - Curved, Green PCB 3 Super Skweek - Curved Switchblade II - Curved T-Tris - Green PCB 1 Todd's Adv Slime World - Curved Toki - Curved Tournament Cyberball - Curved Turbo Sub - Curved Viking Child - Curved Warbirds - Curved, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2, Green PCB 1 World Class Fussball - Curved Xenophobe - Curved Xybots - Curved Yastuna Vol 1 - Green PCB 1, Red PCB Yastuna Vol 2 - Green PCB 1, Red PCB Zaku - New Curved Zarlor Mercenary - Curved Green PCB 1 - Regular/basic design, including B&C, Best, Duranik, Songbird's second green PCB, Video 61, bootlegs, etc. Green PCB 2 - Songbird's 1st, longer PCB Green PCB 3 - Telegames with the large, encased chip Black PCB 1 - Songbird's "Long Live the Lynx" board w/ external, square chip (with two different labels - one with the name printed in block, black letters, and one with a full color fancy label) Black PCB 2 - Telegames board with "internal" (flush with the circuit board) TSOP flash chip We have now seen PCBs in the following colors: Green, Black, Red, White and Blue. And we have seen our first post-Atari release on a curved cart (shown as New Curved) Klax has a Japanese variation - though curved like the regular, the label is different and the large, rectangular chip is slightly raised on the back. Okay, if anyone owns or knows of any additional cart style variants, please reply here and I'll edit the original post. Maybe if we do a good enough job here, AA can "sticky" this thread and/or update their list. Thanks a lot everyone! Cheers, Smeg Edited July 16, 2012 by Atari Smeghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matashen Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 PITS is Green PCB as most of the German Homebrews cause Lars Baumstakr made the PCBs for most of the developers. Regards Matthias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rygar Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) can show you this pcb : Edited March 29, 2009 by rygar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+karri Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The black one with the text "Long Live the Lynx" is made by Todd for Songbird. This cart design is very easy to insert and remove from a Lynx. Please also note that the edge of the cart is not sharp. It has a smooth ramp so that it will slide under the metal connector instead of risking to bend it. The cart is also gold plated. Quality all the way. But of course this will also add to the cost. You get what you pay for. I am happy that MegaPak vol 1 comes on a good cart like this -- Karri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I agree with Karri. These carts are top notch! I really like them. They are some of my favorite. I have a few Green PCBs that are so thick, I am always afraid it will damage my system. They look and feel great. Nothing but quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the kind words on the black PCB; I've been very happy with that design as well. Todd does a great job supporting the Lynx! There are actually three Songbird PCBs: Green #1 - PCB was accidentally made a bit long, and the cart sticks out of the top of the Lynx. This was a small run, only a few hundred PCBs total I think. Green #2 - A corrected version of #1, with a shorter cart and the EPROM in a better location. Black #1 - This is the board we've used for the past 7+ years. The earliest Songbird games used both Green #1 and #2 (SFX, Ponx, Lexis). I know Remnant used Green #2 and maybe #1 as well. I think Champ Rally was the first cart to only come out on Black #1, but I could be wrong on this. CyberVirus and all later games were definitely only on Black #1. EDIT: Forgot about CGE2K. That one I know was only on the black PCB, so that means it was the first on black, and then Champ Rally, CM2BT, CyberVirus, etc. were all black as well. Edited March 30, 2009 by Songbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar_fan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 It is great to have such a thread. Very interesting and I will now sit down and check all my Lynx games. Apart of the SFX cart, I do have all of them in my possession. But so far I did not pay attention to variations such as flat, riged, curved, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks, everyone, for your feedback on this list! We've already managed to add quite a few cart styles! Thanks for the kind words on the black PCB; I've been very happy with that design as well. Todd does a great job supporting the Lynx! There are actually three Songbird PCBs: The earliest Songbird games used both Green #1 and #2 (SFX, Ponx, Lexis). I know Remnant used Green #2 and maybe #1 as well. I think Champ Rally was the first cart to only come out on Black #1, but I could be wrong on this. CyberVirus and all later games were definitely only on Black #1. EDIT: Forgot about CGE2K. That one I know was only on the black PCB, so that means it was the first on black, and then Champ Rally, CM2BT, CyberVirus, etc. were all black as well. Oh, that's interesting, Carl! Odd that while doing this list, I hadn't noticed my Lexis and Ponx are the longer green PCBs. That brings to mind the fact that there are several diffferent versions/styles of the classic green PCBs. It might be a pain to make note of it, but heck, if I want full disclosure so badly, I guess I gotta do it! Thanks again! Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Oh, that's interesting, Carl! Odd that while doing this list, I hadn't noticed my Lexis and Ponx are the longer green PCBs. Congrats. Those will definitely be hard to find down the road, because like I said, we only made a small batch and then realized they were longer than we wanted. More trivia: Lexis was the last game I had in stock on Green #2. I think I overdid a subsequent cart run one time by 30 carts or so, and it took me a couple years to burn through them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 I know Remnant used Green #2 and maybe #1 as well. If anyone knows for sure or has an extra long Green PCB version of Remnant, please let me know! I made the changes mentioned thus far. Thanks everyone! My next step, in the next day or two, is to document all the different versions of green PCBs. Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I know Remnant used Green #2 and maybe #1 as well. If anyone knows for sure or has an extra long Green PCB version of Remnant, please let me know! I made the changes mentioned thus far. Thanks everyone! My next step, in the next day or two, is to document all the different versions of green PCBs. Cheers, Smeg That does not sound like a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) That does not sound like a lot of fun. Depends on your definition. Of course, I hope you realize this is all your fault... putting it in my head the need to collect the different cart styles... oh, the monster you have unleached, Eric! ------------- Okay, I realize this is WAYYY over the top, but eh. Here are the various Green PCBs that I own/are aware of: B&C (AvP, Centipede, Daemon'sGate, Road Riot) Best Electronics (Dragnet Sound Demo) very similar to B&C, but it has the Fuji symbol I'll call this one Duranik (Alpine Games, Alpine Games Bonus Cart, Lynx Reloaded, Pokermania, Sokomaina, SIMIS, T-Tris) Telegames (Bubble Trouble w/ regular-sized chip, Krazy Ace Mini-Golf w/ Super-large, encased chip) Songbird - (Ponx and Lexis with larger PCB) Video 61 (Lode Runner and Pounce - Also Othello uses the same chip, but I don't know if it's Video 61) My Blue Lightning Demo PITS cart (Earlier in the thread) And then there are all the homebrews (Yastuna 1 and 2) ... and bootlegs (Cubes, Dynablaster, Rapid Racer, my Raiden, Lynx Diagnostic, Marble Madness, Marlboro Go) Whew! Do any of you have any additional green PCB variants? For "list" purposes, I was thinking of having: Green PCB 1 - Regular/basic design, including B&C, Best, Duranik, Songbird's second green PCB, Video 61, bootlegs, etc. Green PCB 2 - Songbird's 1st, longer PCB Green PCB 3 - Telegames with the large, encased PCB How does that sound? Cheers, Smeg Edited April 1, 2009 by Atari Smeghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 In terms of Black PCBs... My Telegames Fat Bobby Black PCB is not the same as the Songbird Black PCB. Notice the chip is internal, and the opening on the top is larger. However, I do have a Hyperdrome Telegames that does have the same Black PCB as Songbird. Did Carl produce some of his carts for Telegames? Or did Telegames come up with that design first? Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 NICE WORK! By the way... yes, Telegames did buy PCBs from Songbird (or the guy how makes them for Songbird). I asked about this when my Bubble Trouble and a few others showed up with the 'Long Live The Lynx' boards. I have to dig out my 3 questionable EPROM carts. I think they are simply homebrews, not really sure though. Your Fat Bobby cart is like the Desert Strike cart that I am looking for in my wanted thread (see my signature). Obviously... I now need the Fat Bobby cart style you have. sigh... one hell of a monster I created... eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 The first black PCB uses a TSOP flash chip which is exposed but flush with the circuit board. Only a few hundred of these were produced total by ICD for Telegames back in the mid-90's. I was in discussion with ICD to have them produce my first Songbird carts as well, and I have exactly three samples of these with Songbird games on them (two beta copies of Ponx, one copy of SFX). The deal fell apart for both Telegames and Songbird, so I never mass-produced my games with them. Songbird has supplied most of the cart PCBs Telegames has used for the past 5+ years. I'm glad that the Telegames releases have continued to be available for Lynx fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Pictures? Wanna a few? These are a few of mine... most of the 'odd' cart styles that I own. I believe there is a pic of my 'doctored-up' EotB along side the eye of the beholder demo that was on ebay... T-Tris, Road Riot, Fat Bobby (Demo cart... the one that shoots balls out of the guitar) I don't know what the T-Tris cart style is (It looks a bit like Alpine games without the save feature). The other two are my mystery carts (the third will be pictured later). I now think they are Video 61 carts. They match that Othello pictured above. The Backs of the first group SIMIS, SOKOMANIA, and LOOPZ <-- the last is of that Video 61 look. I believe that is what these are. Which is good, I only had to pay about $15 each for those. The backs of the second group DamonGate, Krazy Ace, Raiden the backs of those The Yastuna Group... (Love these carts!) Fornts (or backs... depending on what you call them) the other side Mainly "Long Live The Lynx" boards. And Alpine Games The backs Eye of the Beholder carts I added the stickers to the EotB proto... it had an 'open window' when I received it. Now it is within my SIMIS orange clam shell case. Back of the ebay demo cart... and still the front of the EotB proto. Didn't feel like showing all of the workings! I forgot to snap a picture of my PITS game... but it is the same board as Alpine games... it just doesn't have the little save chip in the corner. There's my stuff... I guess the biggest mystery is that T-tris Note: The Fat Bobby in the Video 61 Style is a different cart (gameplay) than the one released by Telegames on the 'Long Live The Lynx' board. You can do some interesting cheats... the intro is different and level play is different. Also... you can shoot balls out of the guitar. Kind of interesting to compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohoki Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 a friend of mine had a silver blue lightning cart i havent heard anything about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlezone Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Don't know if it has been written but there is black PCB version of DESERT STRIKE and recently of DOUBLE DRAGON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I guess the biggest mystery is that T-tris What is a mystery about T-tris? It's made in Germany so it shares the same PCB as SIMIS, Sokomania, etc. But here are some interesting tidbits about rare Lynx carts: * There are two editions of T-tris: one with a save game chip, one without. * There are two editions of Sokomania: one with a hidden MOD player, one without (as explained in detail in Jungle Guide #2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Don't know if it has been written but there is black PCB version of DESERT STRIKE and recently of DOUBLE DRAGON. If it is the ones you are talking about, those are the ones that people are trying to make money off of those games because their value is a bit high. Avoid those. Granted... there could be legit ones out there, however, I believe those are the ones being reproduced right now just to get a bit of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I guess the biggest mystery is that T-tris What is a mystery about T-tris? It's made in Germany so it shares the same PCB as SIMIS, Sokomania, etc. But here are some interesting tidbits about rare Lynx carts: * There are two editions of T-tris: one with a save game chip, one without. * There are two editions of Sokomania: one with a hidden MOD player, one without (as explained in detail in Jungle Guide #2). Hmmm... where is jungle Guide 2? I'm interested in which Sokomania I have now. LOL Well... it is good to know my T-Tris is legit. I didn't know if it was. Now I need to track down the one with Save game chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Don't know if it has been written but there is black PCB version of DESERT STRIKE and recently of DOUBLE DRAGON. If it is the ones you are talking about, those are the ones that people are trying to make money off of those games because their value is a bit high. Avoid those. Granted... there could be legit ones out there, however, I believe those are the ones being reproduced right now just to get a bit of cash. Warbirds, Desert Strike, and Double Dragon have all been published on the black "Long Live the Lynx!" PCB (in addition to post-Atari releases like Fat Bobby, Hyper Drome, etc.). These are likely legitimate. Hmmm... where is jungle Guide 2? I'm interested in which Sokomania I have now. LOLWell... it is good to know my T-Tris is legit. I didn't know if it was. Now I need to track down the one with Save game chip. Jungle Guide 1 and 2 were small print magazines published by Songbird a few years ago. I meant to turn it into an annual series, but it got sidelined as my time for hobby projects diminished. Both are currently out of stock, though I would consider reprints if interest was sufficient. I sell the T-tris with save game chip in my Songbird online store, so that won't be hard to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 The first black PCB uses a TSOP flash chip which is exposed but flush with the circuit board. Only a few hundred of these were produced total by ICD for Telegames back in the mid-90's. I was in discussion with ICD to have them produce my first Songbird carts as well, and I have exactly three samples of these with Songbird games on them (two beta copies of Ponx, one copy of SFX). The deal fell apart for both Telegames and Songbird, so I never mass-produced my games with them. Songbird has supplied most of the cart PCBs Telegames has used for the past 5+ years. I'm glad that the Telegames releases have continued to be available for Lynx fans! Carl, Thanks for all the valuable information and little-known trivia you have supplied! Even though it's taken up a bit of my time, I'm really glad I started this thread! Would you (or anyone) know which Telegames titles came out on Green PCB 1 (standard), Green PCB 3 (w/ big, encased chip) and Black PCB 2 (with flush TSOP chip)? Telegames is certainly the tough one, variation-wise. Here's what I've come up with: - Bubble Trouble - Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1 - Desert Strike - Curved, Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2 - Double Dragon - Curved, Black PCB 1 - Fat Bobby - Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2, Green PCB 1 (Alt Version), Green PCB 3 - Hyperdrome - Black PCB 1, Green PCB 1??? - Krazy Ace Mini Golf - Black PCB 1???, Green PCB 3 - Raiden - Green PCB 1, Black PCB 1, Black PCB 2 - Super Off-Road - Curved, Green PCB 3 - T-Tris - Green PCB 1 (this isn't Telegames, is it?) - Warbirds - Curved, Black PCB 1 I see you replied even before I finished writing this, so I added what you just posted. I had no idea there were Black PCB 1 versions of Warbirds, Double Dragon or Desert Strike! This is really coming together. Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Smeghead Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 a friend of mine had a silver blue lightning cart i havent heard anything about that. I've never heard or seen such a cart. If there's any way you can get a pic, I'd love to see it! Don't know if it has been written but there is black PCB version of DESERT STRIKE and recently of DOUBLE DRAGON. Thanks for the info! There are a lot more black PCB games then I wold've thought. Would you happen to have pics? Pictures? Wanna a few? Thanks a ton for putting this pics up! That's fantastic! Say, is the dual-chip EotB the one you just spent all that money on? Ya gotta admit Eric, this thread has either given us a lot more Lynx collection fun, or I've just made our jobs a helluva lot more difficult, huh? Cheers, Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedenLynxer Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I hope you will not include non-legit carts on your Lynx Cart Variation List, Smeg. Not include carts made by thieves. Like those polish Lemmings and Raiden carts sold on Ebay etc. Warbirds, Desert Strike, and Double Dragon have all been published on the black "Long Live the Lynx!" PCB (in addition to post-Atari releases like Fat Bobby, Hyper Drome, etc.). I think you can add Lynx Casino and Checkered Flag to that list. Jungle Guide 1 and 2 were small print magazines published by Songbird a few years ago. I meant to turn it into an annual series, but it got sidelined as my time for hobby projects diminished. Both are currently out of stock, though I would consider reprints if interest was sufficient. You can still get Jungle Guide 2 from Nick and Video Game Source still has both Jungle Guide 1 and 2 in stock. http://www.1632-sales.zenwebhosting.com/ac...r_Software.html http://www.videogamer.org/show2.php?lynx+A...Pricelist+on+ch Strongly recommended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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