+orpheuswaking Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) I received a package in the mail today from Legacy Engineering and here are the contents Installation is a snap (at least under XP) and with atari80win plus Internals Edited September 3, 2009 by orpheuswaking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanallan Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Excellent! I am also going to take pics when they get here. I'll have to take mine apart on arrival also, disassembly is like an addiction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) So after putting the joysticks back together and loading up a few games I find that I really enjoy these sticks. Build quality is good and the stick is very firm not loose or mushy. For what I paid (and disregarding the wait time) I feel I got a GREAT deal and will get much use out both sticks. The only thing I can say negatively about them is that although the stick itself is very firm the fire button feels mushy and has no tactile response, however this is due to the contacts used which in the long term should last longer than the leaf switch type that will be found in the CX40 retrofit kit Curt is now selling. Overall on a scale of 1 (bad) - 10 (Excellent) I give these a 9 I want to thank Curt for making these available, and those of you who got upset at the delay I understand your frustration, but honestly I feel these were well worth the wait. Hopefully all orders will soon be completed and more people will give some feedback good or bad. Edited August 25, 2009 by orpheuswaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 Excellent! I am also going to take pics when they get here. I'll have to take mine apart on arrival also, disassembly is like an addiction! Use a good quality proper sized screwdriver, these bad boys are firmly screwed together, don't want to take the chance of stripping the head of the screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Great pics Simon, glad to see someone finally posting about their order, enjoy!!! Curt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 26, 2009 Author Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) Great pics Simon, glad to see someone finally posting about their order, enjoy!!! Curt After a couple of days use I am still enjoying using these. May have to buy a couple retrofits for existing CX40's and compare them. Although looking at the picture of the board online I wonder at how it's wired in. Edited August 26, 2009 by orpheuswaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Black usb cable and no Atari logo. I hope to receive this version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckafka99 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Just recv'd the email from USPS that my sticks are waiting for me at home. Yahoo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Ahhhhhhhhhh - not fair. The wait is killing me. Soon I hope. Stephen Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) Ahhhhhhhhhh - not fair. The wait is killing me. Soon I hope. Stephen Anderson I gots mine, though I haven't made much time to use it, yet. Order # 30 Edited August 26, 2009 by AtariNerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 Ahhhhhhhhhh - not fair. The wait is killing me. Soon I hope. Stephen Anderson You don't have time to play with yours... Get on those 130XE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapetino Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Got my joystick today--excellent build and works well! Highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NML32 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Pictures look great. I can't wait till I get mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckafka99 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Another great thing I like about these sticks is that one can easily take them apart for packing into something like a laptop bag. Thanks again Curt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Well, I try to think of things from the end user side as well, and being able to take the handle off and store and carry the controller with you was an important design feature I wanted. The original design which I did on the FB2 sticks has a screw in design, unfortunately people would literally unscrew the sticks as they played. The USB sticks have an improved design called the "lock stick" which locks in and out of place and should work better then the original screw in/out design. Curt Another great thing I like about these sticks is that one can easily take them apart for packing into something like a laptop bag. Thanks again Curt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I had pretty much written off getting my sticks, but these pictures sure have piqued my interest again. I look forward to receiving mine! Well, I try to think of things from the end user side as well, and being able to take the handle off and store and carry the controller with you was an important design feature I wanted. The original design which I did on the FB2 sticks has a screw in design, unfortunately people would literally unscrew the sticks as they played. The USB sticks have an improved design called the "lock stick" which locks in and out of place and should work better then the original screw in/out design. Curt Another great thing I like about these sticks is that one can easily take them apart for packing into something like a laptop bag. Thanks again Curt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Couple of people had asked me how these compare with a real CX40 in size (someone had mentioned the bases were bigger) However I think you can see from these pictures the sizes are pretty much the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanallan Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 So the button is a bit lower profile? Is the travel of it short? Doesn't need to pressed that hard? Thanks for the high-res pics. I like the originals' texture, and those look really smooth. I'm going to see if the bases will exchange (doubt it). Looking great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 The button is the only thing I don't like about the Retro sticks... It is fairly mushy feeling, but I'll get used to it... As for the bases I don't know, I never thought to look at that... I did go through all my joysticks tonight and realize I have one CX40 that's broken, so I will be ordering a retrofit kit to compare against these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 The bases are not interchangeable, while the outward appearance is close to the original sticks, inside is a totally different ball game: 1. The originals used a plastic tube with a plastic ring inside to push against contact domes. this was covered with a rubber cover. The rubber tended to pull and twist over the coarse of usage and the ring at the botton of the tube would fatigue and fail. The Legacy design uses a solid plastic joystick handle that locks into a pivoting contact hub, this hub pushes down against a silicone contact directional pad in 4 directions (8 in diagonal pushes) and pushes the contact pads down. 2. The originals had metal contact domes over copper traces, which over time would fail and didn't make good contact. The Legacy design uses gold contact points ensuring longer higher quality contacts over time and with less wear as well. 3. Lastly the plastic tops and bottoms are different then the originals both in their internal structure and in the height for each piece - together they equal the height of the original sticks, but each half - top and bottom is actually a much different height from the originals. 4. Lastly - on the buttons. I have not been satisfied with the overall rebound snap of the current fire button silicone, so I spent much of last night in Solidworks designing a new design and I submitted for the silicone parts maker, she is going to run off a proto sample in 5 business days, so by early the week after I should have some new samples and once I get them to be at a point where I feel they significantly improve button feel and performance, I will put them in envelopes and mail free to anyone who is willing to put them upgraded silicone buttons in themselves. I want people to be happy, if it costs a little bit out of pocket to do that, then in the end I did the right thing for everyone. Curt The button is the only thing I don't like about the Retro sticks... It is fairly mushy feeling, but I'll get used to it... As for the bases I don't know, I never thought to look at that... I did go through all my joysticks tonight and realize I have one CX40 that's broken, so I will be ordering a retrofit kit to compare against these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NML32 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Curt, this is outstanding news. You are working very hard to make a fantastic product. The bases are not interchangeable, while the outward appearance is close to the original sticks, inside is a totally different ball game: 1. The originals used a plastic tube with a plastic ring inside to push against contact domes. this was covered with a rubber cover. The rubber tended to pull and twist over the coarse of usage and the ring at the botton of the tube would fatigue and fail. The Legacy design uses a solid plastic joystick handle that locks into a pivoting contact hub, this hub pushes down against a silicone contact directional pad in 4 directions (8 in diagonal pushes) and pushes the contact pads down. 2. The originals had metal contact domes over copper traces, which over time would fail and didn't make good contact. The Legacy design uses gold contact points ensuring longer higher quality contacts over time and with less wear as well. 3. Lastly the plastic tops and bottoms are different then the originals both in their internal structure and in the height for each piece - together they equal the height of the original sticks, but each half - top and bottom is actually a much different height from the originals. 4. Lastly - on the buttons. I have not been satisfied with the overall rebound snap of the current fire button silicone, so I spent much of last night in Solidworks designing a new design and I submitted for the silicone parts maker, she is going to run off a proto sample in 5 business days, so by early the week after I should have some new samples and once I get them to be at a point where I feel they significantly improve button feel and performance, I will put them in envelopes and mail free to anyone who is willing to put them upgraded silicone buttons in themselves. I want people to be happy, if it costs a little bit out of pocket to do that, then in the end I did the right thing for everyone. Curt The button is the only thing I don't like about the Retro sticks... It is fairly mushy feeling, but I'll get used to it... As for the bases I don't know, I never thought to look at that... I did go through all my joysticks tonight and realize I have one CX40 that's broken, so I will be ordering a retrofit kit to compare against these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastron Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Living in hope i will get 2 of these one day been ordered and paid for for ages now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I hope you followed the instructions and emailed your full order receipt and your shipping address, once received your order goes on in about a week or less now... Curt Living in hope i will get 2 of these one day been ordered and paid for for ages now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogstar_robot Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 4. Lastly - on the buttons. I have not been satisfied with the overall rebound snap of the current fire button silicone, so I spent much of last night in Solidworks designing a new design and I submitted for the silicone parts maker, she is going to run off a proto sample in 5 business days, so by early the week after I should have some new samples and once I get them to be at a point where I feel they significantly improve button feel and performance, I will put them in envelopes and mail free to anyone who is willing to put them upgraded silicone buttons in themselves. I want people to be happy, if it costs a little bit out of pocket to do that, then in the end I did the right thing for everyone. Curt You are a scholar and a gentleman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastron Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I hope you followed the instructions and emailed your full order receipt and your shipping address, once received your order goes on in about a week or less now... Curt Living in hope i will get 2 of these one day been ordered and paid for for ages now Ordered from your web site back in Feb think it was have not had any email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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