ctsnlc Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 http://www.chez.com/toxicmag/real/archives...RefVersion6.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Could you repost the URL. The one above is coming back as FORBIDDEN. Thanks, Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Never mind. Found a posting of the link on alt.atari-jaguar.discussion. Below is a copy of the newsgroup post. Glenn Hello everybody! As promised by John Mathieson (the father of the Jaguar) in his interview, he did some investigations in his archives to find the Jaguar 2 (codename "Midsummer") Technical Reference Manual. He found it and send it to me as a gift. I decided to give this great document to the Atari Communauty You can download it (.PDF format and zipped) at the bottom of my interview of John, here : http://www.chez.com/toxicmag/real/articles...s/mathieson.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 This thing would have kicked some major BattleSphere Butt. The only really dumb thing I see in it is they added 8K or texture ROM to the blitter. That's kinda a waste of transistors. Really. Otherwise this is very cool. Too bad it never saw the light of day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 oh, after reading it I was under the impression that someone was working on it right now So I guess I need to ask for something else for Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Its funny it appears when it was opened in Word to be PDF generated the header dates were changed - it appears this was last updated 2 days ago Anyhow, After reading the specs how would this compete with the PS2, Gamebox or Xbox since those would be the consoles Atari would be up against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Actually, this system would have come out in time to compete with the Nintendo64, the 3DO M2 (also only prototypes exist) and later in it's life cycle (assuming success), the Dreamcast. Of course it would have been competing against the Saturn and Playstation too. This was scheduled for a X-mas '96 release, just like N64, fully backward compatible with the Jag&Jagcd. The recent interview with Matheison that a post here links to explains some of this too. Of course, given Atari's release date announcements and actual release dates margin for delay/error, it may have been sometime in '97 maybe even the holiday season, before it was released and the Jag/CD would have filled the role of Atari "flagship" for another year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 It's also hard to know what or if any compromises would have been made to the design to make it come in under a certain cost. Perhaps the Tramiels would have crippled it with only a little RAM, or some other cost cutting measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Too bad it never saw the light of day! Yep, the full spec version that was described in the Tech Ref manual has probably never saw the light of day, but a developer board did get produced. Here's a link to some info about the COBWEB developer board: http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/jaguar/jag2.html Its funny it appears when it was opened in Word to be PDF generated the header dates were changed - it appears this was last updated 2 days ago That's what John Mathieson did when he sent me the Jaguar Tech Ref manual for the Jaguar One. He reprinted the manual, probably from Word, into a PDF document on 29 Feb 00 (leap day!). He did the same here, he reprinted the manual from his master copy of the specs document to a PDF on 26 Oct 02. Regards, Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 bah, whenever I read stuff like that I go all misty eyed and spend the evening throwing dart's, knives and rocks at pictures of Tramiel Great, but saddening I want a Jag 2.. someone invent a parellel dimension traveling machine where I am head of Atari PLEASE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 bah, whenever I read stuff like that I go all misty eyed and spend the evening throwing dart's, knives and rocks at pictures of Tramiel Great, but saddening I want a Jag 2.. someone invent a parellel dimension traveling machine where I am head of Atari PLEASE! Hey LinkoVitch. I'm lucky enough to have a Jaguar II proto that I picked up from Clint Thompson. Mine isn't working (at the moment), but I hope to fix that soon. I also have an extra Tom II Chip as well as an extra Midsummer Chip. Good stuff! The tech reference manual looks awesome, but I of course printed it at work and forgot to bring it home. Oh well, tomorrow night for sure.... Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 my list of people I need to kill and steal their atari stuff grows jammy git Be cool if we were able (as the Atari Community I mean) to finish off and build it. That would be ace... So anyone got friends in a chip fab plant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_ruck Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 my list of people I need to kill and steal their atari stuff grows Seriously. Makes you think twice about bragging rights. I always want to say, "Yeah, I have a one of a kind xyz prototype, and two large dogs." So anyone got friends in a chip fab plant? Actually I think there are a bunch of people here in the semiconductor industry. Too bad I don't still work for Nanofab. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 spose worst case we could build the whole thing out of 74xx and 40xx chips... ads could read. "The new Atari Jaguar II, it's awesome" and then in small print.. "please ensure you have at least 12'x12'x6' area for hardware and technitian installation of Jaguar II, also contact local energy providers for power upgrade.. AIr con is recommended" build it on Stripboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 my list of people I need to kill and steal their atari stuff grows jammy git Be cool if we were able (as the Atari Community I mean) to finish off and build it. That would be ace... So anyone got friends in a chip fab plant? Did I mention my 2 "big" dogs. Well, ok, that was a lie, I have 2 shi-tzu's, I don't think they'll give you any trouble..... I have some "friends" that are going to work on getting my Jag 2 working, I'll post any success on Jag II and here. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 cool. good luck. would be ace to be able to fabricate a few jag 2's and get em out to the fans and dev community.. Stick an "AtariGhost" badge on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Looking again at that picture of the proto, what is it middle-right on that piccy? Looks suspiciously like an DIP-package LED bargraph...what the hell is that doing there??? Someone dig out some Jag2 proto docs please! Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkoVitch Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 I'd guess it would be for diagnostics. You can get similar things for PC's a card that plugs into the PCI bus, either with an array of LED's or a liquid crystal digital display. Depending on the lights lit, number displayed corresponds to an error or process. So you can quickly see if your PC is hanging at say the IDE init. I guess this would be something similar allowing the engineers to quickly diagnose faults? just a wild stab in the dark there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 I'd guess it would be for diagnostics. You can get similar things for PC's a card that plugs into the PCI bus, either with an array of LED's or a liquid crystal digital display. Depending on the lights lit, number displayed corresponds to an error or process. So you can quickly see if your PC is hanging at say the IDE init. I guess this would be something similar allowing the engineers to quickly diagnose faults? just a wild stab in the dark there Why does this quoted message keep showing up as "new" every time I log on? What's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyace Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Anyone have this online - as the original link is long dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Anyone have this online - as the original link is long dead? Here.....Try this. Midsummer_Tech_Ref_Version_6.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downix Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Anyone have this online - as the original link is long dead? Would you like the netlist files too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyace Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thanks, I've seen the netlist ( it was mentioned in the virtual jaguar source ) - but I didn't realise the printed doc had been online - ( The internet is wonderfull sometimes, I've been able to download newer versions of the jaguar docs than the ones I had from when I worked on the platform ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Thanks, I've seen the netlist ( it was mentioned in the virtual jaguar source ) - but I didn't realise the printed doc had been online - ( The internet is wonderfull sometimes, I've been able to download newer versions of the jaguar docs than the ones I had from when I worked on the platform ) I beleive Version 8 is the last out there....in case you dont have it....here. jag_v8.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyace Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Thanks, I'd already managed to find that - it's a newer version of my printed set, but I couldn't really see any major changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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