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[maiki]

A good site. Has most games, unlike Atarimania, where I was unable to find goodies like Conquest Of Mars.

[GroovyBee]

I hope you'll be seeking permission from the 2600 homebrew authors whose games are listed before hosting their works?

[Rom Hunter]

maiki, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:28 AM, said:

A good site. Has most games, unlike Atarimania, where I was unable to find goodies like Conquest Of Mars.

Atarimania contains only titles that were released between 1977 and 1992.

Which leads me to this question:

Did all the homebrewers agree to have their creations available for play on your site?

If not: think this over.

["Mad"Max]

Pioneer4x4, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:20 AM, said:

"Mad"Max, on Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:32 PM, said:

Yes, I would have taken your comments differently. You say they are just words, so why are you so offended by mine?

That is just sad... Many, if not most forum members have signatures that bear little to no direct meaning to each individual message they type.
I am not offended by yours, just totally amazed.
Since 1 other person mentioned the langauge, you said you would change it. OK, great I guess, again, I would be more concerned with what companies might go after me than who is offended. Anyway, what I typed from the beginning was purely my opinion, ignore it if you want.

Congratulations on buying a subscription account with AtariAge. It is a good website and I’m happy I was able to point you in the direction of paying them money. It’s good to fund programs you enjoy. This post is no longer about the Atari games I posted. So this will be my last post on this site due to the fact narrow minded people like you frustrate me beyond belief.

Since we are talking about legal rights, I’m assuming Michael Crichton knows that you’re quoting his work all over the internet without proper citation. I’m also assuming that Touchstone Pictures knows you are using and altering their “The 13th Warrior” movie poster as your avatar. One might think you came up will that quote and avatar all by yourself. FYI, I’m not a copyright attorney and neither are you. Your opinion was not based on the website itself; just something I said and did on the site. You wanted to take my words literal and as if they were directed directly at you, so I will take your signature literal as well. Furthermore, I was not dismissing your opinion, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. Sadly, some people have a difficult time grasping the concept of “hypocrisy”. You have a nice day.

P.S. Thanks everyone for all the opinions received on my Atari list, many changes have been made from your input.

["Mad"Max]

Rom Hunter, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:27 AM, said:

maiki, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:28 AM, said:

A good site. Has most games, unlike Atarimania, where I was unable to find goodies like Conquest Of Mars.

Atarimania contains only titles that were released between 1977 and 1992.

Which leads me to this question:

Did all the homebrewers agree to have their creations available for play on your site?

If not: think this over.

There are no homebrew games hosted on the site yet, just a list. Is Conquest Of Mars a homebrew?

Edited by "Mad"Max, Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:51 AM.

[Pioneer4x4]

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:25 AM, said:

Since we are talking about legal rights, I’m assuming Michael Crichton knows that you’re quoting his work all over the internet without proper citation.

Unfortunatley, no, he passed away several years ago. And I am quoting excerpts from a poster, and movie script, not re publishing the entire work.

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:25 AM, said:

This post is no longer about the Atari games I posted.

Like I have mentioned earlier it certainly is, I hope you have the legal right to publish ALL of the works on your site, talk about "hypocrisy".

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:25 AM, said:

P.S. Thanks everyone for all the opinions received on my Atari list, many changes have been made from your input.

You are welcome.

[Rom Hunter]

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:26 AM, said:

There are no homebrew games hosted on the site yet, just a list. Is Conquest Of Mars a homebrew?

Yes, it is.

Made by one of the most talented VCS homebrewers John W. Champeau (creator of the VCS version of Lady Bug)

[Random Terrain]

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:25 AM, said:

So this will be my last post on this site due to the fact narrow minded people like you frustrate me beyond belief.

Welcome to the Internet. Take your vitamins and wear a cup.

[Pioneer4x4]

Random Terrain, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:25 AM, said:

Welcome to the Internet. Take your vitamins and wear a cup.

LOL, I can see him now, "Can I have the Hammer?"

[Sampiero]

Congratulations ! This is great job !.
Thanks for this.

[jetset]

Rom Hunter, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:05 AM, said:

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:26 AM, said:

There are no homebrew games hosted on the site yet, just a list. Is Conquest Of Mars a homebrew?

Yes, it is.

Made by one of the most talented VCS homebrewers John W. Champeau (creator of the VCS version of Lady Bug)

I think we're being overly picky (and a bit jealous IMO)
The rom has been made public, it's available on the AA site. And he's not selling the game or the site for profit. If the author didn't want the game to be played freely, I'm sure the rom for the game would not have been made public. In actuality, he's just allowing a test drive of sorts, and can only help potential sales.
I would say at best he has an obligation to inform the author of his use of the freely distributed rom, but to ask permission?

[Foxsolo2000]

jetset, on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:49 AM, said:

Rom Hunter, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:05 AM, said:

"Mad"Max, on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:26 AM, said:

There are no homebrew games hosted on the site yet, just a list. Is Conquest Of Mars a homebrew?

Yes, it is.

Made by one of the most talented VCS homebrewers John W. Champeau (creator of the VCS version of Lady Bug)

I think we're being overly picky (and a bit jealous IMO)
The rom has been made public, it's available on the AA site. And he's not selling the game or the site for profit. If the author didn't want the game to be played freely, I'm sure the rom for the game would not have been made public. In actuality, he's just allowing a test drive of sorts, and can only help potential sales.
I would say at best he has an obligation to inform the author of his use of the freely distributed rom, but to ask permission?

I agree with Jetset. Why is it that when anyone attempts to help the gamimg community the nanny state of so called morale do gooders come out of the woodwork to instantly knock them them down? I think the guy deserves credit for a lot of hard work and dedication in trying to help others discover the joy of gaming for the 2600. As Jetset states the guy is not making any money from his efforts and the roms he has are available on line so those who want to knock him or start prattling on upon their moral soap boxes about so called legal or moral issues I say take a day off and criticise those who set out to deliberately defraud or waste others time. Mad Max I just want to say thank you for your efforts and don't get discouraged by those who so eagerly want to bring you down

[Rom Hunter]

jetset, on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:49 AM, said:

I think we're being overly picky (and a bit jealous IMO)

True.

Utterly jealous.

[Random Terrain]

Foxsolo2000, on Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:37 AM, said:

Mad Max I just want to say thank you for your efforts and don't get discouraged by those who so eagerly want to bring you down

Some of you guys are acting like he cured cancer or something. This isn't the first large collection of Atari 2600 games that you can play online:

http://www.virtualatari.org/

http://www.vizzed.co...hp?system=a2600


At least those collections don't make your eyeballs bleed from blue links on a black background.


If he wants to create something better than virtualatari.org, that's great if he can do it, but right now it kind of looks like one of those old Geocities web sites that made you want to scoop out your eyes with a rusty spoon.

Remember, I'm not saying that he should give up or kill himself, I'm just saying it's not even close to being as good as virtualatari.org, so he should keep on working on it and make that new emulator that will be better than JStella.

Foxsolo2000, on Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:37 AM, said:

As Jetset states the guy is not making any money from his efforts . . .

He may not have ads, but he does have a PayPal donate button. If he gets as many donations as I do, he probably hasn't collected enough to buy food for a month, but his hand is still out. I don't care if he makes money. He could be bringing in a million dollars a day, but that still wouldn't change the fact that his web site isn't as good as virtualatari.org yet. Notice the yet.

[Rom Hunter]

Random Terrain, on Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:23 AM, said:

Foxsolo2000, on Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:37 AM, said:

Mad Max I just want to say thank you for your efforts and don't get discouraged by those who so eagerly want to bring you down

Some of you guys are acting like he cured cancer or something. This isn't the first large collection of Atari 2600 games that you can play online:

http://www.virtualatari.org/

http://www.vizzed.co...hp?system=a2600

Exactly.

A better online Stella emulator would be a something, though.

[Foxsolo2000]

[quote name='Random Terrain' date='Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:23 ]
Some of you guys are acting like he cured cancer or something. This isn't the first large collection of Atari 2600 games that you can play online:

http://www.virtualatari.org/

http://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/retro/index.php?system=a2600

I'm not saying he cured cancer, far from it. I was just standing up for the underdog which as usual gets a kicking from those on here. The point I was making was that when anyone tries to do something to help others a select crew will hump on them from a damn great height and undermine their efforts. I thought the idea of this place was to encourage others to participate, not crush them because they fail to reach others lofty heights of expectation

Edited by Foxsolo2000, Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:07 AM.

[batari]

jetset, on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:49 AM, said:

I think we're being overly picky (and a bit jealous IMO)
The rom has been made public, it's available on the AA site. And he's not selling the game or the site for profit. If the author didn't want the game to be played freely, I'm sure the rom for the game would not have been made public. In actuality, he's just allowing a test drive of sorts, and can only help potential sales.
I would say at best he has an obligation to inform the author of his use of the freely distributed rom, but to ask permission?

That's a slippery slope. This is the same sort of argument Hozer uses to justify making homebrew carts without permission or royalties.

Posting a binary on AA does not mean the author completely releases all rights. I would say it's OK to repost it somewhere else on AA, but not pn another site. I'm sure software companies that post free versions of software would not condone someone else hosting their files without permission. Many do have a EULA that prohibits this but the lack of a EULA does not mean all rights are granted.

I would expect most authors wouldn't mind as long as the site linked back to the AA store or another place (such as Good Deal Games) where these games could be legitimately purchased on cart, but still permission would be nice.

[ovalbugmann]

Nice selection of Java flash 2600 games there, good work. For myself however, I haven't used too many console/computer system emulators except for STeem and several emulators for the Dreamcast. I'm just one of those guys that has to have the real hardware and that is what I prefer to spend my gaming time with. I even have a very nice Logitech Cordless PC controller that I can configure for use with any game(or software application) I can run on the PC, and I use it to play some PC games that I like. But if I can play the game on an original console, I will do that over emulation.