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[doubleminor]

cimerians, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:43 AM, said:

Somebody at Sony needs to be bitch slapped.

[cimerians]

doubleminor, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:45 AM, said:

cimerians, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:43 AM, said:

Somebody at Sony needs to be bitch slapped.

[moycon]

I'm confused, why are people having to re-download things like themes? Has anyone had to re-download games purchased off the store or are they all back to normal now?

[Reaperman]

moycon, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:01 PM, said:

I'm confused, why are people having to re-download things like themes? Has anyone had to re-download games purchased off the store or are they all back to normal now?

I can't say why, but I can provide more detail.

I started up my machine while the trouble was happening and my active themes weren't working. When I went to check on them, they showed up as 'corrupted data' in the theme list. (5-6 of my themes were bad, some were still good) I haven't tried out my games yet, but none of them showed up as corrupted the way my themes did. I did redownload all my 6k demo unlock files just to be sure, so it's really too late for me to check on my games, I suppose.

Edited by Reaperman, Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:14 PM.

[Mord]

Reaperman, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:12 PM, said:

moycon, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:01 PM, said:

I'm confused, why are people having to re-download things like themes? Has anyone had to re-download games purchased off the store or are they all back to normal now?

I can't say why, but I can provide more detail.

I started up my machine while the trouble was happening and my active themes weren't working. When I went to check on them, they showed up as 'corrupted data' in the theme list. (5-6 of my themes were bad, some were still good) I haven't tried out my games yet, but none of them showed up as corrupted the way my themes did. I did redownload all my 6k demo unlock files just to be sure, so it's really too late for me to check on my games, I suppose.

So at the very least don't buy any themes for your PS3 since once every 4 years they'll potentially get corrupted if you accidently turn your PS3 on in a non-leap even year (2014, 2018, 2022, etc) at which point you will have to redownload them to get them back - but that won't be an option if the PS3 is no longer being supported by Sony (so 2018+ at the very least, maybe even 2014) If it's the same for downloadable games...

[moycon]

Mord, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM, said:

So at the very least don't buy any themes for your PS3 since once every 4 years they'll potentially get corrupted if you accidently turn your PS3 on in a non-leap even year (2014, 2018, 2022, etc) at which point you will have to redownload them to get them back

This was exactly what I was thinking when I posted that and thinking even beyond that, what happens if in 4 years that theme is no longer available, or you no longer have an internet connection for whatever reason? I guess it isn't a huge deal to lose a theme, but games, might be a different story. Going to go make sure all my purchased games still work. I guess this is the chance we take downloading stuff!

[Tr3vor]

i cant belive they effed up the clock though, out of all the other things that they had to do, like psn store, all the games, internet browser, but they messup a clock...

[Mord]

moycon, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:49 PM, said:

Mord, on Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM, said:

So at the very least don't buy any themes for your PS3 since once every 4 years they'll potentially get corrupted if you accidently turn your PS3 on in a non-leap even year (2014, 2018, 2022, etc) at which point you will have to redownload them to get them back

This was exactly what I was thinking when I posted that and thinking even beyond that, what happens if in 4 years that theme is no longer available, or you no longer have an internet connection for whatever reason? I guess it isn't a huge deal to lose a theme, but games, might be a different story. Going to go make sure all my purchased games still work. I guess this is the chance we take downloading stuff!

Yeah, I was hinting at those kinds of possibilities but the more likely one is... What if Sony drops PS3 support a year or two after they launch the PS4... nah, that'll never happen amirite? If the physical games still work after that despite not being able to sync trophies and the like, then I can live with that. But this will only strengthen my determination to avoid DLC/DD-only games, etc. I'm sure there will be much rage if they drop PS3 support in the future and suddenly any game that used online trophies failed to run.

[Mendon]

I guess I don't view the recent downtime or "screw up" by Sony as big of a disaster as others might:
I've owned a PS3 since launch and during that time, my console has been out of service ONCE for 24hrs (this clock issue) and as of today its still going strong. So, being without my PS3 for 24 hours and having my gaming temporarily interrupted isn't a disaster.

As for purchased downloaded games being unplayable in the future, I guess I don't view this as a disaster either:
I go to "5 Guys Hamburgers" and spend $10 for a meal.... that's $10 I'll never see again and I've got nothing to show for spending it. I go to the movie theatre and spend $18 (ticket + popcorn + drink).... that's $18 I'll never see again and I've got nothing to show for spending it. I spend $75 a month for DirectTV.... that's $900 a year I'll never have again and I have nothing to show for spending it. And on and on.... I knew full well when I spent money for Pixel Junk Monsters or Critter Crunch or any of the many other games I've downloaded, that they might not be available to play forever (equipment does break, servers do go down, DRM licenses expire, etc), so why should I complain if this happens? I've had a blast playing them, they've given me hundreds of hours of entertainment, and they cost me a fraction of the price of commercial disk-based games!!

For me, the bottom line, is I've gotten a hell of a lot of entertainment out of my PS3, Xbox360, and Wii and while there have been some events or equipment failures that have interrupted my gaming and caused me momentary frustration, I've still had a blast these past years and don't regret ANY of my purchases.

Nothing in life is perfect and neither are any of the gaming consoles or companies.


Mendon

Edited by Mendon, Wed Mar 3, 2010 7:41 AM.

[Mord]

Mendon, on Wed Mar 3, 2010 6:51 AM, said:

I knew full well when I spent money for Pixel Junk Monsters or Critter Crunch or any of the many other games I've downloaded, that they might not be available to play forever (equipment does break, servers do go down, DRM licenses expire, etc), so why should I complain if this happens? I've had a blast playing them, they've given me hundreds of hours of entertainment, and they cost me a fraction of the price of commercial disk-based games!!

So long as you DON'T complain -when- that happens then there's no problem.

However most people don't share your point of view, probably because they aren't being told they're renting these things that they've downloaded. They're being told they bought them.

Additionally we're also talking about DLC AND bug patches for those who are still buying those commercial disc-based games. With DLC we're being charged for things that in some cases should have been in the original game or in fact ARE with the original game (And is on the damned disc - I'm looking at you Capcom) but we can't access unless we shell out even more money. And with bug patches, it means even after paying the full price of a commercial disc-based game, at some point in the future when the patches are taken away by Sony (or Microsoft, etc. This is not a PS3 specific issue) everyone will be left with the original buggy games with no way to fix them up if we still want to play them years from now. Even tho both the game itself and the PS3 may be working perfectly.

Finally, not all DD games are a fraction of the cost of a physical game. Of course that's also one of the big reasons the PSP Go is failing miserably imo.

[cimerians]

Mendon, on Wed Mar 3, 2010 6:51 AM, said:

Nothing in life is perfect and neither are any of the gaming consoles or companies.

Why should we let them get away with it? Consumers (me and you) have rights. Not good if we just let things slide all the time.

Also what I buy is not a consumable like popcorn or even a television program. Its a videogame which in the old days meant I could buy it. Its mine. Nobody can prevent me from playing the game. Somehow things are a changin' and I'm not liking it all that much. Strange that I have to check in with big brother (Sony) before he lets me play.

I dont agree with some of the comments you make but to each his own. I've had tons of fun with the PS3, you know that. I've been on these boards for a long time.

But the one thing that bothers me is that someone somewhere can flip off my machine and prevent me from playing when they want to.

Mord makes another good point too about some games are not cheaper if downloaded: Why the hell are they charging full price for some PSP games to download? No packaging costs, manuals, UMD's etc, no middle men (retailers). They could at least give us a break on the price.

I'll get back to my game of Dantes Inferno some other time...tonight I'm firing up the Atari for some H.E.R.O.

[HammR25]

My theme showed up as corrupted for the day everything was down then it came back fine without me needing to re-download it the next day.