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#1 Ultra Luigi OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:58 AM

Hello everyone.

I have three Atari computers, a 400, 800XL and a 130XE. I have some plans to get an L-shaped desk in my room to set up one of these computers (more than likely will be the 130 XE). I have the 1050 drive, a printer, a cassette player but I don’t have a monitor. I would really like to know what kind of monitors are compatible with this computer, preferably an Atari model just to match it but after looking around here, I see that some of you also use a Commodore monitor too.

Any help would be appreciated.

By the way, this place is awesome!

Edited by Ultra Luigi, Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:58 AM.


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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:51 PM

View PostUltra Luigi, on Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:58 AM, said:

Hello everyone.

I have three Atari computers, a 400, 800XL and a 130XE. I have some plans to get an L-shaped desk in my room to set up one of these computers (more than likely will be the 130 XE). I have the 1050 drive, a printer, a cassette player but I don’t have a monitor. I would really like to know what kind of monitors are compatible with this computer, preferably an Atari model just to match it but after looking around here, I see that some of you also use a Commodore monitor too.

Any help would be appreciated.

By the way, this place is awesome!

Atari never released a matching monitor for any of the 8-bit computers. (a shame, really) A commodore 1084ST or 1710 are the best CRTS in my opinion. There is a lot of debate about various LCD options. The search engine here at AA is your best bet to see what might work for you.

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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:26 PM

I can say for sure that the 1084ST allows you to adjust the screen size, which is something SADLY lacking in today's LCD monitor/TV's. EVERY screen I have cuts off Theta Music Composer on the top and bottom, which blows much ass.

You'd think after all these years they could begin to design screens that do not cut off part of the picture, but I guess not. :/

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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:06 PM

Combining the chief interests of economy, convenience, and reasonable quality, your best bet would be to just grab any CRT television set locally, that has RCA inputs for video and audio. The cable that shipped with the computer originally is RF (antenna, channel 3) and is less-than-ideal, to be sure. Between Craigslist and the Goodwill store, just a few dollars will give a nice composite connection much superior to tuning in to channel 3. In this era, people are practically giving away so many CRTs that you can be cheap and choosy at the same time, and find one with "good" inputs.

You will need a composite video cable. There are some different types, but the simplest/cheapest is like this one advertised on Ebay right now for $6 + $6 shipping:
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 170278575590
This is advertised as a "Commodore" video cable, but for the simplest composite connection they are the same. The fact that this cable advertises for VIC-20 is reassuring that it will work on an Atari computer. Quite simply, I did not see anybody on Ebay advertising ANY Atari computer video cables at all, except for the store that I will mention in a moment, that has some problem and isn't delivering or answering emails and you don't want to order from them.

As you get "fancier" in the connection, things become more complicated. If you get a CRT television or other monitor that has S-video connection, you would need a different cable to take advantage of it. Commodore cables are different and incompatible with the Atari at this point. These cables are also a bit more expensive and harder to get. There is a store on Ebay that lists them, but they are having some kind of great difficulties now and not shipping orders, answering emails, etc. I have an outstanding order with them for 3 cables (2 of which are these S-video cables) and I am currently wondering if I am going to have to file a claim to get my money back. Just so you'll know, the store is:

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eBay Seller: atari-commodore-n-morestore

Go ahead and look at their inventory to see what is available - they have (had?) great cables in the past and it's too bad they're not available somewhere else.

If you get a Commodore 1702 - which is a fantastic monitor - you'd need a cable similar to the S-video cable to get the best display out of it - although the "simple" composite cable I first talked about will work without taking advantage of all the quality the montior has to offer. The 1702 predates the S-video standard connector, although it functions with S-video signals and quality. The cable to do this simply routes "S-video" signals over 2 RCA jacks for video, instead of one. This is typically referred to as a "split chroma/luma" cable. Picture quality is fantastic, just like S-video on a monitor that takes that little round connector. But go ahead and price one with shipping and get ready to take out your wallet, and good luck finding an Atari cable to get the best quality.

Just so you can see a listings for such a cable and see what they look like, here is a listing from that above store - for Commodore 64.
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 250534578906
Once again, this cable WILL NOT WORK ON AN ATARI and I was only pointing to the auction for reference so you can see what the cable looks like and is called; you want a similar cable to this but for Atari if you were going to use a Commodore 1702 monitor. The Commodore (either S-video or chroma/luma) has a different number of pins on the round DIN plug that plugs into the computer for these cables. I had messaged this store on Ebay (prior to whatever problem he is having now) and asked him if he COULD make one for Atari and he said "yes he could" and then send me an Ebay invoice. Too bad, as now he can't even ship what is listed on his site.

Someone else may have some better suggestions, but I would suggest that you go with the $6+$6 VIC-20 cable and then you can hook to anything with RCA jacks. You can then "upgrade" your cable, monitor, and connection in the future. Frankly, I don't know of *any* other Atari monitor cables for sale right now, since that store crapped out.....and they were **EXCELLENT** in the past. Hope this helps a little.

Edit: Forgot to suggest: If you end up with a stereo TV or monitor it will have 2 audio-in jacks and the computer is mono so unless you don't mind sound coming out of one speaker, I'd suggest a small Y-cable RCA 1-female-to-2-male like this. It always bugs me to have sound coming from half the TV. Of course old monitors like the 1702 are mono so don't need this:

eBay Auction -- Item Number: 290404711843

Edited by wood_jl, Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:25 PM.


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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:27 PM

I forgot to mention the Cheese Video Box VD-660.

I've been intending to order one for some time now.

http://www.aquaphoen...eese_video_box/

This way you should be able to plug your Atari into any VGA monitor, and adjust the screen size while not worrying that your 1084 or what ever is going to burn out on you some day. At least that's my line of thinking. Let me order one to justify that it works as good as it sounds.

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Posted Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:44 PM

View PostSyfo-Dyas, on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:27 PM, said:

I forgot to mention the Cheese Video Box VD-660.

I've been intending to order one for some time now.

http://www.aquaphoen...eese_video_box/

This way you should be able to plug your Atari into any VGA monitor, and adjust the screen size while not worrying that your 1084 or what ever is going to burn out on you some day. At least that's my line of thinking. Let me order one to justify that it works as good as it sounds.


Interesting, looking forward to your findings!

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Posted Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:51 PM

Awesome! Thanks a lot for the info everyone.

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Posted Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:56 AM

I would not order from


atari-commodore-n-morestore


At this time... I'm still fighting to get a refund on a cable that was never shipped. Since February 8th I've sent them over ten emails and not had one replied too... Sad really as they are great cables.

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Posted Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:38 PM

Received my refund from Paypal today. The seller did not communicate with Paypal at all, just ignored everything...

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Posted Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:42 PM

View PostSyfo-Dyas, on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:27 PM, said:

I forgot to mention the Cheese Video Box VD-660.

I've been intending to order one for some time now.

http://www.aquaphoen...eese_video_box/

This way you should be able to plug your Atari into any VGA monitor, and adjust the screen size while not worrying that your 1084 or what ever is going to burn out on you some day. At least that's my line of thinking. Let me order one to justify that it works as good as it sounds.

and it's shaped like a big piece of cheese! How can you really go wrong here? :thumbsup:

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Posted Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:44 PM

That is just too cool - I'd love to see some reviews on the video quality. However, it's almost cool enough to just get it anyways!

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Posted Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:47 AM

View Postwood_jl, on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:06 PM, said:


If you get a Commodore 1702 - which is a fantastic monitor - you'd need a cable similar to the S-video cable to get the best display out of it - although the "simple" composite cable I first talked about will work without taking advantage of all the quality the montior has to offer. The 1702 predates the S-video standard connector, although it functions with S-video signals and quality. The cable to do this simply routes "S-video" signals over 2 RCA jacks for video, instead of one. This is typically referred to as a "split chroma/luma" cable. Picture quality is fantastic, just like S-video on a monitor that takes that little round connector. But go ahead and price one with shipping and get ready to take out your wallet, and good luck finding an Atari cable to get the best quality.


I want to jump in here and ask so I am 100% sure about connecting a Commodore 1702 to an Atari 800 (not an XL but plain old 800). That I can use simple composite cables to connect an Atari 800 to the rear connectors of the Commodore 1702 for basic video. Although it works, video will not be the best it can be until I find a proper cable that can connect to the same rear connectors but wired different to make better video.

Just want to make sure if I buy a 1702 I can at least use it until such a better special cable is to be found.

Thanks

tj

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Posted Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM

You could use it on the FRONT jacks which is a single composite input and an audio.

Albert - the proprietor here - was looking for an Atari "split composite" cable to hook to the back (chroma/luma) jacks some time ago. You might try asking him where to get one. There was a guy on Ebay selling them (making them?) but he screwed all the last customers and (presumably) went belly-up now. I am not aware of a place to get them now. The Commodore [64] version of the same cable (different DIN connector) is a little easier to find, presumably because of the 1702 monitor being Commodore, of course!

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Posted Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM

Should be pretty easy to build one - I'll be checking out Radio Shack to see if they still carry the 5 pin DIN connectors so I can make my own. Worse comes to worse I see they still sell a 6 ft MIDI cable with 5 pin DIN connectors; I can always hack that to some spare a/v cables I have.

And congrats on finding a local 1702 so we don't have to fight over the one closer to me!

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Posted Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:28 PM

I pick it up tomorrow. Happens to be along the way on a trip I am doing so I am doing a drive-by pickup hundreds of miles from home. Working out nicely. No original box but that is ok. Same price but I save shipping since I am in that area anyway on a trip. 8-)

tj

View PostHavok69, on Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM, said:

Should be pretty easy to build one - I'll be checking out Radio Shack to see if they still carry the 5 pin DIN connectors so I can make my own. Worse comes to worse I see they still sell a 6 ft MIDI cable with 5 pin DIN connectors; I can always hack that to some spare a/v cables I have.

And congrats on finding a local 1702 so we don't have to fight over the one closer to me!

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