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[potatohead]

Yep, and in the US, with the current SCOTUS, a corporate friendly decision is very highly likely

Interestingly, when we first sorted out this law, the understanding needed to write workable law was more or less common to everyone. It was about books, plays, music cylinders, etc...

Now, that understanding isn't so common, and those that have an interest in more repressive law, also are backed by dollars and very solid representation, in addition to being able to cite a lot of piracy, and international value concerns.

Ordinary people are kind of relegated to second class status, and the overall outlook does not look good at all. There isn't anybody really pulling for our end of the deal, and the lack of some core "digital consumers rights" law, or even guideline is very telling.

Tech is advancing at a good clip right now, along with many government realizing what information technology means to the politics. If one is leaning with the US, it's a generally good thing. On the other hand, if the government is repressive, or has control issues in general, then it's not such a good thing.

What I find in danger is the many potential, alternative means of distribution that can, and currently do compete with the majors. They don't want that, and that's another bias against ordinary people in these things.

Edited by potatohead, Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:36 AM.

[HammR25]

Definitely no more linux. It tells you there is a required system update and to go to settings to download it. Then when you start running it The very first thing it tells you is that if you do the update you won't have Linux anymore and everything that entails.

[Reaperman]

HammR25, on Thu Apr 1, 2010 6:17 AM, said:

Definitely no more linux. It tells you there is a required system update and to go to settings to download it. Then when you start running it The very first thing it tells you is that if you do the update you won't have Linux anymore and everything that entails.

well so much for hoping it was for april fools.

anybody not updating? Does netflix still work?
I guess I'll have to update next time I feel I really *need* to play ps3 (probably this fall for gt5), but I'm going to avoid playing ps3 for as long as possible. I don't know if I'm hoping for a reversal, hacked OS or what, I just don't like where I'm going to have to go. Not wanting to turn on my ps3 on isn't a fun place to be, but I'm not local to my system right now anyway, I'm traveling on business more than I'd like to be.

Edited by Reaperman, Thu Apr 1, 2010 9:53 AM.

[HammR25]

It doesn't force the update on a person. You can play all the PS3 you want. As long as the game is already in your collection you should be fine. Who knows when new games will start requiring it and include it on the disc. Of course people that love playing online are probably hosed regardless of whether it's a new game or not since you have to have it to connect to PSN.

[Elw00d]

Reaperman - Netflix does work without installing the new firmware. I watched about 15 minutes of a movie and I am still on 3.15. You can still use the internet browser. I don't have a media server up and running so I can't say if they are still working without updating. I've never messed with remote play either so I don't know about that either. All of the stuff PSN related is locked out, trophy sync'ing - PS Home - PS Store - basically anything that requires you to login. I think I am going to go ahead and update though. I doubt I will try to install Linux again (I tried it a year ago before I had an HDTV, now I have too much stuff on my hard drive to want to try again).

[liveinabin]

I've read all through this thread and there's one thing that stands out - NO ONE is actually running Linux on their PS3.

I did consider it early on, mainly for emulator as a way to replace my modded XBox. But, after hearing that it didn't run particularly well or fast, I ditched the idea. I suspect many others did too.

The only reason I bring this up is that I've never talked to anyone who actually used this function. And, given that it's been sitting there unused for 3 years, it's surplus to requirements anyway.

[Ninjabba]

As a computer scientist I was really interested in getting a (few) PS3s and run linux on this. It's a great thing to have it since its much cheaper to have a few PS3s connected and run expensive calculations on it instead of buying a supermachine and have the same processing power. So looking into their new line of PS3 slims I had to find out they removed this feature from their machines... and getting a few old ones is not an option... Its a shame they stop providing this feature in the name of Science:

[Lendorien]

I'm going to update my 80 gig too as I'll never use that feature anyway. I guess it just bugs me. It's the principle of the thing. Companies should not be allowed to remove features from products you've already bought.

[rxd]

Lendorien, on Fri Apr 2, 2010 11:54 PM, said:

I'm going to update my 80 gig too as I'll never use that feature anyway. I guess it just bugs me. It's the principle of the thing. Companies should not be allowed to remove features from products you've already bought.

My feelings exactly. I'd probably never use linux on my ps3 but it was a feature on it when I bought it and it should not be removed. Personally I'm shocked that anyone is defending Sony in this at all. A lot of people were singing the praises of this when the ps3 first came out and now they're silent when it's being removed....

[rpgfaker]

Reaperman, on Thu Apr 1, 2010 9:49 AM, said:

HammR25, on Thu Apr 1, 2010 6:17 AM, said:

Definitely no more linux. It tells you there is a required system update and to go to settings to download it. Then when you start running it The very first thing it tells you is that if you do the update you won't have Linux anymore and everything that entails.

well so much for hoping it was for april fools.

anybody not updating? Does netflix still work?
I guess I'll have to update next time I feel I really *need* to play ps3 (probably this fall for gt5), but I'm going to avoid playing ps3 for as long as possible. I don't know if I'm hoping for a reversal, hacked OS or what, I just don't like where I'm going to have to go. Not wanting to turn on my ps3 on isn't a fun place to be, but I'm not local to my system right now anyway, I'm traveling on business more than I'd like to be.

Yeah I was hoping it wasn't real but updated my system the other day anyway. I had YDL installed and had to go through the unpleasantness backing up everything and allocating all the harddisc back to the PS3.

Gosh I guess I'll have to play my hacked PSP for emulation now...boo hoo. It only does EVERYTHING.

[Wntermute]

rxd, on Sat Apr 3, 2010 12:40 PM, said:

My feelings exactly. I'd probably never use linux on my ps3 but it was a feature on it when I bought it and it should not be removed. Personally I'm shocked that anyone is defending Sony in this at all. A lot of people were singing the praises of this when the ps3 first came out and now they're silent when it's being removed....

It was a half-assed implementation of multiple OS support to begin with since it reserved SO MUCH of the bare hardware away from Linux. Installing Linux means you're giving up a CPU core AND the advanced RSX graphics chip. That left just a paltry amount of RAM compared to what you could put together yourself in an off-the-shelf PC form.

The drawbacks just outweighed the benefits. Sure, you could throw VLC on there and play DVDs or videos from the hard drive, but why limit yourself to the storage space of a single notebook-sized SATA drive plus whatever you could plug into the USB once the ports were filled with keyboard & mouse?

[rpgfaker]

I guess I missed the part in the thread where someone mentioned something about someone hacking the PS3 so that is exactly what this was about:


On Sunday, Sony announced that it the next Playstation 3 firmware update will cut off “Other OS” support, which allowed users to install Linux distributions on the console. Effective April 1, PS3 Linux users will have to back up their data and wave goodbye to the feature or avoid the update and sacrifice online play and other features. Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

" First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support. My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim … The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? "

Commenters on Hotz’s blog are divided. Some are cursing him for essentially ruining Linux for legitimate users, while others agree with Hotz that Sony was wrong to punish the entire user base. I feel like it’s elementary school all over again, where the class show-off pulled a stunt and cost everyone recess. Of course, Hotz says he’s just going to fight back, looking for a way to restore Other OS. Until that happens, he says not to update. [via Geohot]

[HammR25]

It's linked in the very first post but I can see how someone could miss it since it wasn't made super obvious that's what he was linking to.

[NinjaWarrior]

I don't think it will Matter

Hackers going to crack it somehow..what's the point

The PSPgo is Hacked already

Edited by NinjaWarrior, Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:37 PM.

[Lendorien]

rpgfaker, on Mon Apr 5, 2010 11:02 AM, said:

I guess I missed the part in the thread where someone mentioned something about someone hacking the PS3 so that is exactly what this was about:


On Sunday, Sony announced that it the next Playstation 3 firmware update will cut off “Other OS” support, which allowed users to install Linux distributions on the console. Effective April 1, PS3 Linux users will have to back up their data and wave goodbye to the feature or avoid the update and sacrifice online play and other features. Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

" First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support. My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim … The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? "

Commenters on Hotz’s blog are divided. Some are cursing him for essentially ruining Linux for legitimate users, while others agree with Hotz that Sony was wrong to punish the entire user base. I feel like it’s elementary school all over again, where the class show-off pulled a stunt and cost everyone recess. Of course, Hotz says he’s just going to fight back, looking for a way to restore Other OS. Until that happens, he says not to update. [via Geohot]

Thing is, Geohot's hack was a hardware hack, and one that only the very highest level of hardware hackers could have replicated. I'm sure there were other issues at play here.