+Stephen Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Check DIZZ out That has a unique sound - I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 This one sounds like POKEY as something to say Dizzys.xex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 This one sounds like POKEY as something to say Amazing, this one "Rocks"!... José Pereira. (Sad we don't have the Dizzy game(s) to play on A8 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 why not? The originals are 256x192 hires with horrific colourclash, there's c64 conversions which are the same sized screens and added surrounds + sprites to avoid the colourclash (so there's some 6502 out there to hack about). It should be well inside the A8s comfort zone. The only downside I can see is that Codemasters are insanely protective of those games (even today), so you'd be better doing a similar game rather than porting an actual dizzy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 why not? The originals are 256x192 hires with horrific colourclash, there's c64 conversions which are the same sized screens and added surrounds + sprites to avoid the colourclash (so there's some 6502 out there to hack about). It should be well inside the A8s comfort zone. The only downside I can see is that Codemasters are insanely protective of those games (even today), so you'd be better doing a similar game rather than porting an actual dizzy game. I am more worried of not having no-one to get the A8 coding. I have tried some things on the past and have some Material and ways of, but... About CodeMasters I don't see any problem about Dizzy, there are a large number of new versions for P.C./ZX/...I've seen a dedicate site of Dizzy with all this Games but can't remember the Name... José Pereira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I wouldn't try and sell a dizzy game though - they won't even let the bloody Oliver twins do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I wouldn't try and sell a dizzy game though - they won't even let the bloody Oliver twins do that! And what about making a non-profit version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I wouldn't try and sell a dizzy game though - they won't even let the bloody Oliver twins do that! No, just a free release... like all that DIZZY nº100,101,... over that site... They are just the Zx, P.C.,... versions with Gfxs. updates. José Pereira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) probably be okay then - I just wouldn't want someone to put all that effort in and then get trampled on at the last minute. I've been tempted to do a dizzy-like game for ages but I've not got much free time at the moment and they seem to be gaming Marmite so I'm not sure (assuming I do a decent enough job) if people would like it or not. Are people generally pro- or anti-Dizzy? because I actually liked them... Edited January 18, 2011 by sack-c0s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 ...by the way... @ emkay Your latest 3 "real-pokey-converted" tunes sound excellent again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 probably be okay then - I just wouldn't want someone to put all that effort in and then get trampled on at the last minute. I've been tempted to do a dizzy-like game for ages but I've not got much free time at the moment and they seem to be gaming Marmite so I'm not sure (assuming I do a decent enough job) if people would like it or not. Are people generally pro- or anti-Dizzy? because I actually liked them... Just try to start a Poll here... I also would like to see if people want to really see Dizzy on A8!... I think it's not a great Game... Great story behind... If I was from BBC or APPLE I probably wouldn't bother of having Dizzy or not... On A8 it's just the technical Hi-Resolution... just this... I tried some Dizzy(s) on the past and it is possible to get a very good on A8... a little more problematic than a standard platform like Manic Miner, because Gfxs. (Trees, Bridges,...) aren't blocks/cells like platforms and this is not simple to colour in A8 Hi-Resolution. But nothing is impossible, once more I offer my work if someone is interested in porting Dizzy into A8. I would get first and simple DIZZY1 (Music we have from Emkay, that's a start...), because we could probably get a kind of a ConstructionSet to get other ones. That would be a very addictive solution: DIZZY1 with Construction Kit. Anyone wants to get DIZZY into A8? Greets. José Pereira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creature XL Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 We should not talk bout Dizzy in this thread. But, never played it, just watched some vids now (C64 ones) and it would be hard to get it colored properly with PMG. You have to give it to the C64, the possibility to mix hi-res and lo-res and color hi-res is awesome. If the A8 port would be BW only, I don't think i would play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 We should not talk bout Dizzy in this thread. Exactly. Let's get back to the topic. US3.xex It's not perfect, but what is perfect, when it comes to POKEY music At least put into the 3 channel tune: Deeper basses, no cancelling at the filter and .... ofcourse ..... modulations that do not yell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) @ emkay Listening to some of your other recent test-tunes, I'd need to say, I expected more quality. This time, lack of full quality is not really caused by limits of RMT. Volume balance still needs a lot of work. The same with timing: relative timing between the various instruments. And, by the way, I'd do it all in 15khz mode. Just to gain a somewhat heavier atmosphere. EDIT: And possibly I'd do it in 100Hz (double-frame-speed) mode. Edited January 18, 2011 by analmux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 @ emkay Listening to some of your other recent test-tunes, I'd need to say, I expected more quality. This time, lack of full quality is not really caused by limits of RMT. Volume balance still needs a lot of work. The same with timing: relative timing between the various instruments. And, by the way, I'd do it all in 15khz mode. Just to gain a somewhat heavier atmosphere. EDIT: And possibly I'd do it in 100Hz (double-frame-speed) mode. See it as a 1st try. It was a hard thing to put all those tracks to 3 . The final may have the correct name then One "unsolvable" problem is still the not existing timing correction that makes 2 envelope steps needed to create it. Double Speed, why not. But 1st I want to try to have it at one VBI speed working. I'm also thinking about getting rid of the pure Filter sound...... But, as you know, as soon as you activate the 2nd channel, filter manipulations stop, and you have to create all with "endless" instrument addings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 ... But, as you know, as soon as you activate the 2nd channel, filter manipulations stop, and you have to create all with "endless" instrument addings. I don't know. I don't see any problems. At least if we're talking about the same thing: if we choose a 'filter'/'pulsewave' instrument on channel 1&3, and if we also want to turn on the volume of channel 3. This shouldn't make any difference. By the way, your "Dizzy" tryout exactly shows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 ... But, as you know, as soon as you activate the 2nd channel, filter manipulations stop, and you have to create all with "endless" instrument addings. I don't know. I don't see any problems. At least if we're talking about the same thing: if we choose a 'filter'/'pulsewave' instrument on channel 1&3, and if we also want to turn on the volume of channel 3. This shouldn't make any difference. By the way, your "Dizzy" tryout exactly shows this. The tune has many very short played notes in it. To do all needed steps, as needed, you simply would not hear them, because the next note gets played before all "setup" is done. I'm looking for a compromise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 OK, then I didn't understand why you mentioned "2nd voice". This may sound stupid, but why not using "table of notes" feature instead then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 ...and remember (in theory: on the real machine or with a tracker which supports decent pulsewave control and 100% emulation): Pulsewidth offset is needed only once, not everytime a note starts....but, then another approach of handling pokey is needed, so that's indeed related to RMT limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 By the way, that's maybe another reason to use 100, 150 or 200 Hz pokey updates instead. Then it won't take that much time to setup a filtered voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 By the way, that's maybe another reason to use 100, 150 or 200 Hz pokey updates instead. Then it won't take that much time to setup a filtered voice. I've heard some amazing 200Hz stereo RMTs on my PAL machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Still single VBI... us3m.xex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 This one I name Unreal Superhero 3 ... even through the limits of RMT .... USIII.xex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4ngerM4n Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 This one I name Unreal Superhero 3 Thank you for taking the time to make your own conversion of this marvelous piece of music originally done and named by ! Please don't take it personal, but I think the latest version posted earlier by board member kjmann has more energy and comes closer to the original (just for comparism conversion by kjmann). But nice try, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 He knows exactly where the other thread is, he's just trying to outdo Sal as usual. Impress me this way - create an original piece of music, rather than taking other people's work and just tweaking instrument settings and such. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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