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#1 Mendon OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:57 AM

I was on Amazon this morning looking at game releases and dates and couldn't help but notice that almost every upcoming PS3/360 release has a collectable version available: Halo, Call of Duty, Mafia 2, Fallout, Star Wars Unleashed 2, Gran Turismo, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Dead Rising 2, Little Big Planet 2, Fable 3, and on and on. Even the Wii is getting a Limited Edition when a Gold Pro Controller is packed with the upcoming Golden Eye game.

Maybe its just me but does anyone think that Collectable (or Limited) Editions are becoming a little bit too common? At $79.99 and up as the price points, I may have to start playing (and hope to win) the lottery to keep up with gaming.


On a side note.... I was at a local Best Buy yesterday and they had 14 copies of the Modern Warfare 2 Limited Edition with Night vision Goggles priced at $129 sitting on the shelf. So much for the Limited in the title.


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Edited by Mendon, Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:18 AM.


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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:56 AM

these special editions are too common. It's being used as an 'acceptable' way to make more profit off of the sales of a game. As far as I can see, resale value is the primary motivation for a collector to go for a special edition. Of course with the special editions generally involving some kind of DLC, and possibility of future removal of 'online benefits' for used games, used value is questionable. Sealed value will also be down when the networks stop supporting these games, and they will stop supporting these games. Really I question if *any* of this generation's games will be collectable anyway.

Gran Turismo 4 is supposed to come in 3 trim levels (in euroland anyway). The most deluxe includes entry into some kind of european invitational racing series where the prize is a car I don't want. Of course once that contest is over, all there is, is a keyring and some other useless crap. good luck selling it

But $129 for (functional?) night vision goggles though? A couple more markdowns and suddenly the toy surprise is better than the cereal again. I may have to check out the best buy.

edit: oh wait, those 'night vision goggles' are just a military styled IR toy.

Edited by Reaperman, Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:30 AM.


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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM

Those "night vision" goggles really do work, they are just cheap kid versions, but you'll only see about 20 feet with one even still.

As for collector editions, eh, I won't bother with ones that involve "downloadable" stuff, because it's only good as long as they desire to support said game. Meaning zero collector value, meaning "WTF is the point?"

And yeah, most people are using this as an excuse to sell cheap crap, a piece of paper, maybe a pewter piece of crap that cost them less than $1to make and will gladly charge you $20 to get. Just to much.

It used to be exciting to get collector editions of stuff, but now, feck them, I don't care about most of them, though if it's good stuff, I may still get something for a series I really like.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:15 PM

The coolest collector's edition I own that never really sold was the Tony Hawk's Skateboarding game that game packaged with an official Hawk skateboard or the Dot Hack with the Hack doll inside the package....

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:28 PM

The new trend seems to be different special editions depending on where you buy it, it's not just exclusive dlc anymore. i believe the new assassins creed has 2 or 3 different store exclusive special editions.

i saw yesterday that fallout:new vegas has different starting gear depending on where you buy the game. this is getting out of hand.

it may sound silly now but i foresee a day where entire levels in the game are different depending on where you buy it.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:29 PM

In my opinion its usually not worth it anymore with some few exceptions. Dragon Age had a cloth map so I was a sucker for that, faceplates are nice if your into those and other bonus stuff like an extra disc for expansions (physical copies of add-ons).

I think bonus art, making of-videos, soundtracks (unless its actually good), figures and bonus in-game add ons are no longer selling points for me.

What I like is a physical disk with an add-on or side mission. Not a downloadable. Sadly I dont see that happen too often.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:04 PM

I heard someone on the radio talking about a 'banned" version of a song was released via download for a while and whoever was able to download it before they pulled it had a collectors item...how the hell is something saved on your hard drive a collectors item? I will NEVER understand that. Anyways, I believe this collector edition stuff is mainly geared towards people like us, older "kids" that like physical copies of stuff be it CD's, books or video games. Eventually we will "grow up" and stop buying it, and they will stop making it. These collector editions lack the charm and soul of vintage games so I doubt the collector market in the future will be any different then outdated computer media. I think the Wii might, just might have a cult collector following in the future. In my opinion the nostalgia impact will be huge for it 20+ years from now, there will be so many happy memories people have, just like I do when I think of my family and Atari...well, this is my prediction anyways so I'll remember to dig this topic up when I am sitting on my sealed hoard of Wii shovelware grinning and planning my trip to the bahama's :lol:

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM, said:

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

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awesome idea. realistically how much could it cost to rip it to disc, slap it in a case and ship it out? they'll literally put print out dl tokens in a case and ship them so they might as well just put them on disc. companies like sega can afford it.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM

View Postxg4bx, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM, said:

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM, said:

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

AX

awesome idea. realistically how much could it cost to rip it to disc, slap it in a case and ship it out? they'll literally put print out dl tokens in a case and ship them so they might as well just put them on disc. companies like sega can afford it.
Well, you could download the game to a memory stick/card, then make a custom case for that memory stick or card and put it in your collection. Kind of generic though. The reason they will not put it on disc is there just isn't enough demand for it. The cost of SEGA having a meeting just to discuss it would wipe out any and all profits from the 100 people that would actually buy it. The new generation doesn't care about discs, I know, I don't get it either but thats the way it is.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM

View PostCrazy Climber, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM, said:

View Postxg4bx, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM, said:

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM, said:

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

AX

awesome idea. realistically how much could it cost to rip it to disc, slap it in a case and ship it out? they'll literally put print out dl tokens in a case and ship them so they might as well just put them on disc. companies like sega can afford it.
Well, you could download the game to a memory stick/card, then make a custom case for that memory stick or card and put it in your collection. Kind of generic though. The reason they will not put it on disc is there just isn't enough demand for it. The cost of SEGA having a meeting just to discuss it would wipe out any and all profits from the 100 people that would actually buy it. The new generation doesn't care about discs, I know, I don't get it either but thats the way it is.

Absolutely incorrect. A number of surveys were done last year and earlier this year of both DVD and video game consumers and the vast majority (64% or more) preferred physical media with a large number of those saying they never had and never would buy download only movies or games. It's a big part of the reason why Sony released all those $10 PSP games including a disc re-release of Patapon 2 in the US. It's also a big part of the reason why PSP Go failed. For music, I would agree with you, but for most other media, people, including young people, still want a physical disc.

It would be very easy for Sega or anyone else to do disc releases via on-line sales only and still make money. In fact, Warner Home Video has a niche release program right now for rare movies on DVD that has been very successful and profitable even though some titles only sell a few thousand copies each.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM

View Postbojay1997, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM, said:

View PostCrazy Climber, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM, said:

View Postxg4bx, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM, said:

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM, said:

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

AX

awesome idea. realistically how much could it cost to rip it to disc, slap it in a case and ship it out? they'll literally put print out dl tokens in a case and ship them so they might as well just put them on disc. companies like sega can afford it.
Well, you could download the game to a memory stick/card, then make a custom case for that memory stick or card and put it in your collection. Kind of generic though. The reason they will not put it on disc is there just isn't enough demand for it. The cost of SEGA having a meeting just to discuss it would wipe out any and all profits from the 100 people that would actually buy it. The new generation doesn't care about discs, I know, I don't get it either but thats the way it is.

Absolutely incorrect. A number of surveys were done last year and earlier this year of both DVD and video game consumers and the vast majority (64% or more) preferred physical media with a large number of those saying they never had and never would buy download only movies or games. It's a big part of the reason why Sony released all those $10 PSP games including a disc re-release of Patapon 2 in the US. It's also a big part of the reason why PSP Go failed. For music, I would agree with you, but for most other media, people, including young people, still want a physical disc.

It would be very easy for Sega or anyone else to do disc releases via on-line sales only and still make money. In fact, Warner Home Video has a niche release program right now for rare movies on DVD that has been very successful and profitable even though some titles only sell a few thousand copies each.


Exactly. I don't mind paying for a digital version to use in ADDITION to the physical. But stuff is always stuff... I want to OWN my items.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:45 PM

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM, said:

View Postbojay1997, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM, said:

View PostCrazy Climber, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM, said:

View Postxg4bx, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM, said:

View Postthe.golden.ax, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 PM, said:

I just wish they would sell you a hard copy of a digital game for a fee. Who cares if that fee is $50. I should be able to buy say, After Burner Climax or Sonic 4 on a disc.

AX

awesome idea. realistically how much could it cost to rip it to disc, slap it in a case and ship it out? they'll literally put print out dl tokens in a case and ship them so they might as well just put them on disc. companies like sega can afford it.
Well, you could download the game to a memory stick/card, then make a custom case for that memory stick or card and put it in your collection. Kind of generic though. The reason they will not put it on disc is there just isn't enough demand for it. The cost of SEGA having a meeting just to discuss it would wipe out any and all profits from the 100 people that would actually buy it. The new generation doesn't care about discs, I know, I don't get it either but thats the way it is.

Absolutely incorrect. A number of surveys were done last year and earlier this year of both DVD and video game consumers and the vast majority (64% or more) preferred physical media with a large number of those saying they never had and never would buy download only movies or games. It's a big part of the reason why Sony released all those $10 PSP games including a disc re-release of Patapon 2 in the US. It's also a big part of the reason why PSP Go failed. For music, I would agree with you, but for most other media, people, including young people, still want a physical disc.

It would be very easy for Sega or anyone else to do disc releases via on-line sales only and still make money. In fact, Warner Home Video has a niche release program right now for rare movies on DVD that has been very successful and profitable even though some titles only sell a few thousand copies each.


Exactly. I don't mind paying for a digital version to use in ADDITION to the physical. But stuff is always stuff... I want to OWN my items.

AX
I would love for you guys to be right but I do remember having this EXACT conversation many years ago about downloading music and well, I never would have believed it but CD's are dying. The same will happen with games, it will take a little while but it is going to happen.

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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:54 PM

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I would love for you guys to be right but I do remember having this EXACT conversation many years ago about downloading music and well, I never would have believed it but CD's are dying. The same will happen with games, it will take a little while but it is going to happen.
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CD's aren't dying, but their economics and their importance to the bottom line of record companies is undoubtedly diminished. The music industry went through a transformation driven by piracy/P2P sharing and a perception that music had little value as a consumer product. Unfortunately, in the process, the music industry essentially collapsed and it was permanently turned into a system where artists and record companies can no longer make millions of dollars from an album release and physical media was seen as having less value as the desirable product was literally a single track or two on a CD. The record companies are responding by dropping CD prices and including things like DVDs, free digital downloads of the album you purchased on CD and other bonus materials to make CD purchases seem like a better value than paying for an iTunes download of just a few songs.

If the game industry goes through the same transformation the music industry has gone through, there will literally be no game industry to speak of as nobody is going to invest millions of dollars creating games that will instantly be pirated. You may still have small indie releases, but an all digital gaming industry is not just annoying for gamers and collectors, as well as many brick and mortar retailers, but very dangerous for publishers and developers. As such, while digital media will continue to be available and probably grow, I also believe physical media will continue to be around and you will see a continuing effort to make owning the physical product desirable by creating more collector's editions and pack-in bonuses.

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Posted Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:47 AM

I'm a sucker for Collectors Editions. I even started a thread about them last year...

http://www.atariage...._1#entry1880435

I've already pre-ordered the Halo Reach CE and I think the Fallout 3 one. :thumbsup:
I thought the exact same thing about a week ago, there does seem to be a glut of them coming up.

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Posted Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:50 AM

View Postbojay1997, on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:54 PM, said:

CD's aren't dying, but their economics and their importance to the bottom line of record companies is undoubtedly diminished. The music industry went through a transformation driven by piracy/P2P sharing and a perception that music had little value as a consumer product. Unfortunately, in the process, the music industry essentially collapsed and it was permanently turned into a system where artists and record companies can no longer make millions of dollars from an album release and physical media was seen as having less value as the desirable product was literally a single track or two on a CD. The record companies are responding by dropping CD prices and including things like DVDs, free digital downloads of the album you purchased on CD and other bonus materials to make CD purchases seem like a better value than paying for an iTunes download of just a few songs.

If the game industry goes through the same transformation the music industry has gone through, there will literally be no game industry to speak of as nobody is going to invest millions of dollars creating games that will instantly be pirated. You may still have small indie releases, but an all digital gaming industry is not just annoying for gamers and collectors, as well as many brick and mortar retailers, but very dangerous for publishers and developers. As such, while digital media will continue to be available and probably grow, I also believe physical media will continue to be around and you will see a continuing effort to make owning the physical product desirable by creating more collector's editions and pack-in bonuses.
Well, I think you are somewhat getting the wrong idea. I don't think discs will be gone completely forever, someone will always cater to a niche I mean hell, they still sell new records. My point more is that we are heading in a new direction, a new state of technology where disc media will not be required anymore for a lot of it. Afterburner Climax is a great example, SEGA would NOT make money putting that out on disc, I'm sorry but there just would not be enough interest/profit and that is why they are not doing it. This will happen more and more weather we like it or not. Most people will not care if they get Madden on a disc, especially if it is cheaper just to download it, EA has already announced instruction manuals will be discontinued soon, and my prediction is current gen game discs will start having the same value as outdated computer stuff when the next systems come out(which is next to nothing, most people just throw old computer ganes away) because of this many people will just prefer downloads in years to come, it will not happen overnight but 20 years from now it will be a lot different. They will find ways around piracy, they always do. Collectors editions might fight it off for a little while but since they are so expensive again many people (not all) will prefer downloads. Give it time, the end is near :sad:

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Posted Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:06 PM

I don't normally buy the collectors edition, but I did for StarCraft 2 :D

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Posted Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:50 PM

You made a good point about a memory card with the game on it and a mock-up case. Won't the game only work on the system it was downloaded on?

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Posted Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:58 PM

I've been picking up Collectors editions of older games pretty cheap lately. Got the Forza 3 box (with keyring, USB stick and loads of DLC) and the Street Fighter 4 box (with Ryu and C.Viper figures, costume DLC and extra anime disc). These were sitting around on the shelves, new, for less than the used price of the regular editions. Score!

Aside from those, I usually don't bother spending the extra on crap I don't need. However, the Fallout 3 lunch box is awesome!

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Posted Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:17 PM

View Postliveinabin, on Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:58 PM, said:

However, the Fallout 3 lunch box is awesome!

Got it. I agree it's awesome. I pick that up and think bottle cap bomb. Sweet!! Also I get my GF to take the bobble head to like say an abandoned building and hide it and then go find it the next day just like in the game!! What a sweet CE that was. :thumbsup:

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Posted Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM

Here is a shot of the gaming area in our new house with all my Collectors Editions sharing the spotlight!

Actually there are a few CE's missing like the DJ Hero Renegade Edition and my collection of Guild Wars CE!!

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Posted Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM

WOW!!! Great collection, Moycon!

Out of curiosity, are you a collector of all LE's or do you just buy LE's of games you are interested in and fully plan to play?

For myself, if I'm really interested in a game, then the LE is usually the way I go (unless the price is ridiculous for the items included). But I don't buy LE's if I'm not interested in the actual game. As an example, I really liked what was included with the BioShock 2 Special Edition, especially the vinyl LP, but because I wasn't interested in the game I didn't buy the SE.

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Posted Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:03 AM

Well originally the CE I had were games that I was going to buy anyways, but really liked so I would pay extra for the CE and usually pre-order (Perfect Dark, Prey, Oblivion, Two Worlds etc...) and would pay FULL price.
These days I tend not to do that. Using Bioshock 2 as an example, I loved the games, the LE was awesome, but I paid $99 for my copy, and since then I've seen them going for as little as $29.99. These days I generally just snap up the Collectors Editions off Amazon when I see they have dropped in price enough. Recently I got Tron Evolutions and Duke Nuke Em CE for around $40 apiece. I was still interested to play both games, but I wasn't interested in paying full price. There have been a few CE's I've bought just because i got the cheap. The latest being Star Wars The Force Unleashed. These are going for around $25 new now and the price was too good to pass up! In most cases though, I do play the games. Even the Star Wars one I plan to get into eventually.

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Posted Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM

It's interesting to see how the trend of collectible games has progressed since this thread was initially started.

I don't buy them as a rule, but on the other hand I tend to wait for GOTY editions, which are sort of the other side of the same coin. I regard Collector's and GOTY editions as an important counterbalance in an increasingly digital era. Anything that incentivized people to buy physical media sounds good to me. I don't see Rovio mailing you a statue for downloading Angry Birds anytime soon.

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Posted Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:40 PM

@Moycon - Awesome collection, but I gotta ask - what's with the LE consoles? Do you play them, or do you basically have a bunch of backup units that you haven't cracked open?

I kinda remember you saying that you had already preordered the LE Star Wars 360 back when it was first available from Amazon. I have to admit, if I had the spare cash, I'd get that one too. The controller alone looks so cool.




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