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[Cebus Capucinis]

I was the initial one who posted to PM Wonder, and I'll be completely up front and honest in that the "buying" aspect of it didn't even enter my brain at all in suggesting it. There were two factors to lead me to suggest PMing Jose about it:

1. He has a very large knowledge base for prototypes and WIPs so he would easily be able to compare it to others and tell how complete the game is, how close it is to other WIPs and therefore how far along the historical timeline it is -- as well as knowing more specific details about the history of the games to provide extra information to anyone that has a prototype game, and

2. As he's posted about in the past, he is working on a very large project to catalog, detail, and create a repository of Atari 2600 history and development during the lifespan of the console. Prototypes and WIPs will therefore be of much interest to him to know about so he can continue this very cool project.

I'm sorry if that steps on any toes or anything, but as I said in my previous post I know for a fact he gets very busy with hectic work schedules and sometime isn't on here much so I'll suggest someone with a proto to PM him every time just so he can be aware of what's out there for his historical project. If he wants to buy it, frankly that's his business and certainly not something I nor anyone else on AA needs to get involved in (unless you're the seller, of course). My act was purely a selfless endeavor to ensure someone who is deeply involved with the cataloging of Atari history is aware of something with potential historical value.

Anyway, I'm done speaking on the matter, as continuing some sort of "debate" about this does no justice to it at all, and only facilitates in making things likely worse off and more awkward. I just wanted to explain my motivations and desire to help.

[Wonder007]

Cebus Capucinis, on Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:04 AM, said:

I was the initial one who posted to PM Wonder, and I'll be completely up front and honest in that the "buying" aspect of it didn't even enter my brain at all in suggesting it. There were two factors to lead me to suggest PMing Jose about it:

1. He has a very large knowledge base for prototypes and WIPs so he would easily be able to compare it to others and tell how complete the game is, how close it is to other WIPs and therefore how far along the historical timeline it is -- as well as knowing more specific details about the history of the games to provide extra information to anyone that has a prototype game, and

2. As he's posted about in the past, he is working on a very large project to catalog, detail, and create a repository of Atari 2600 history and development during the lifespan of the console. Prototypes and WIPs will therefore be of much interest to him to know about so he can continue this very cool project.

I'm sorry if that steps on any toes or anything, but as I said in my previous post I know for a fact he gets very busy with hectic work schedules and sometime isn't on here much so I'll suggest someone with a proto to PM him every time just so he can be aware of what's out there for his historical project. If he wants to buy it, frankly that's his business and certainly not something I nor anyone else on AA needs to get involved in (unless you're the seller, of course). My act was purely a selfless endeavor to ensure someone who is deeply involved with the cataloging of Atari history is aware of something with potential historical value.

Anyway, I'm done speaking on the matter, as continuing some sort of "debate" about this does no justice to it at all, and only facilitates in making things likely worse off and more awkward. I just wanted to explain my motivations and desire to help.

I agree with you CC.....I am not mad or anything, in fact I would want people to contact me about protos as I continue to put the pieces together on the history of the Atari 2600 (and yes, CC is right, I get very busy at work and sometimes I do not frequent this website as much as I would want to). I am also cool with Benny on what he suggested. Crazy Climber, maybe it was not meant as offensive but I think it could have been worded differently (at least in my opinion). Again, everything is about opinions and that is cool. My concern was Ian's comment on spending, something that was not even brought up until he did....I just think that a situation like that could have been handled differently.....it is not my fault that people come to me for estimates and protos....and I do apologize for that but it is what it is. Lastly, anybody else is welcomed to do what I am doing.......I am the last person that would want to stop somebody from doing that....

[MegaManFan]

Final sale will be made in 24 hours. To not complicate or drag things out further I'm limiting myself to the two AA members and two offers I have outstanding - one is firm and the other is being considered for a day. Thanks again to everyone for their help and interest! I'll be making my demo video public once the sale is closed.

[ianoid]

Crazy Climber, on Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:48 AM, said:

I don't think Ian meant any offense. I kind of see where he is coming from in that anytime anything is posted about a proto the immediate response from noobs is "contact Wonder, he will buy it, etc.." when the truth is numerous people collect them and have been so there are other options. I think people get the wrong idea that you will pay more than it's worth so they don't even bother asking anyone else, at least thats the way I took his statement. See you around man

Somebody gets me. ^^^

@Wonder, I meant no offense or jab to you at all, I understand your perspective better than most- as you know I'm a similarly hardcore collector. I wouldn't insinuate you spend routinely more than other collectors, but some in the community seem to be convinced you'd pay above and beyond everyone else. I know you are too sensible to be off the map on prices for everything that pops up.

@megamanfan Sorry for being OT, but it does boost your thread with bumps!

Edited by ianoid, Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:16 PM.

[Dino]

ianoid, on Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:13 PM, said:

Crazy Climber, on Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:48 AM, said:

I don't think Ian meant any offense. I kind of see where he is coming from in that anytime anything is posted about a proto the immediate response from noobs is "contact Wonder, he will buy it, etc.." when the truth is numerous people collect them and have been so there are other options. I think people get the wrong idea that you will pay more than it's worth so they don't even bother asking anyone else, at least thats the way I took his statement. See you around man

Somebody gets me. ^^^

@Wonder, I meant no offense or jab to you at all, I understand your perspective better than most- as you know I'm a similarly hardcore collector. I wouldn't insinuate you spend routinely more than other collectors, but some in the community seem to be convinced you'd pay above and beyond everyone else. I know you are too sensible to be off the map on prices for everything that pops up.

@megamanfan Sorry for being OT, but it does boost your thread with bumps!

I read it that way too. I don't think you will find too many people that question Wonder007's integrity here, least of all Ian...

[MegaManFan]

Nope, Wonder007's a stand up guy, as is anybody who PM'd me regarding the cart (you all know who you are). The thread can be closed because it's now officially sold. For the curious I made about $10 on every year I owned it - hardly a windfall especially since most of that goes into repairing my lawnmower anyway - but cool for me since I didn't buy it with those intentions to begin with. I just wanted to own a piece of gaming history, and now somebody else will. And so the wheel turns.

[MegaManFan]

Sorry for the bump, but I'm in a little bit of limbo now. I took down the video and moved it to a different account because I thought this was a done deal, so apologies if you're looking for it in page one and it doesn't work. I'm still waiting for payment to be received, but in the meantime I wanted to re-offer the video, which this time I've made public.