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[texit]

I received my Jaguar about 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love it!

So far I have Doom, Tempest 2000, Wolfenstein 3d, Hoverstrike, Iron Soldier, Cybermorph, and 2 extra G model controllers. The B model controller came with the system.

My favorites so far would have to be Tempest 2000, Doom, Wolfenstein 3d, Cybermorph, Hoverstrike, Iron Soldier in that order. I really haven't had a chance to give Iron Soldier the playtime it needs.


New Jaguar + new composite cables: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/1.jpg
Box contents: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/2.jpg
User's Guide: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/3.jpg
Controller with overlay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/4.jpg
Playing Cybermorph: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/5.jpg

New / sealed boxes of Wolfenstein 3d, and Tempest 2000: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/10.jpg
Game cartridges with Wolfenstein 3d controller overlay. Tempest 2000 does not come with an overlay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/11.jpg
Wolfenstein 3d in action: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/12.jpg
Tempest 2000 in action: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/13.jpg

DooM & IRON SOLDIER unboxing pictures:
Both games new/sealed: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/6.jpg
Game carts & controller overlays: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/7.jpg
Iron Soldier screenshot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/8.jpg
Doom screenshot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/9.jpg

Hover Strike Box: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/14.jpg
Hover Strike overlay and cartridge: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/15.jpg
Hover Strike screenshot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912655/16.jpg

I love how the G model controller feels, but the B model controller doesn't screw up the edges on my overlays. This happens with both of my G model controllers. The right side overlay slots aren't large enough. I think the D PAD/BUTTONS are superior on the G model, while the Cable, connection are better on the B model.

The Jaguar actually looks fairly good stretched out on my 42'' HDTV via composite cables. I would have got SVideo, but my TV doesn't have the input.


Why, you may ask? I always wanted a Jaguar as a kid, it was seen as unattainable from my 9yr old eyes. I can't explain how I feel right now, pure joy.

Next up: maybe another B model controller, Alien VS Predator, and Defender 2000. And a new Jaguar CD from Best Electronics. This is addicting!

Thanks Best Electronics and The Goat Store for all of the goodies! I am now spoiled, all of these were new/sealed in box. Now I seem to want to find everything new/sealed, but I have a feeling AVP and Defender 2000 may be hard to find.

Edited by texit, Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:07 PM.

[Austin]

Nice, glad to see you are enjoying it!

[goatdan]

texit, on Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:29 PM, said:

The Jaguar actually looks fairly good stretched out on my 42'' HDTV via composite cables. I would have got SVideo, but my TV doesn't have the input.

I don't know what it is, but I have tons of systems hooked up to a 32" HDTV here, and while almost all of them look noticeably worse with the conversion, for whatever reason the Jaguar just looks crisp for lack of a better word.

I'm also running composite, as is nearly every other classic system that I have hooked up, and for whatever reason it just looks cleaner. I have no earthly idea why that is...

[texit]

goatdan, on Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:33 PM, said:

texit, on Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:29 PM, said:

The Jaguar actually looks fairly good stretched out on my 42'' HDTV via composite cables. I would have got SVideo, but my TV doesn't have the input.

I don't know what it is, but I have tons of systems hooked up to a 32" HDTV here, and while almost all of them look noticeably worse with the conversion, for whatever reason the Jaguar just looks crisp for lack of a better word.

I'm also running composite, as is nearly every other classic system that I have hooked up, and for whatever reason it just looks cleaner. I have no earthly idea why that is...

It really is amazing, I can't believe how good Wolfenstein 3D looks. It is VERY crisp.

[sgrddy]

That's awesome. Glad you are enjoying it. Raiden is a blast as well. Are you going to get a Pro Controller?

[Metal Jesus]

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult 2) The Jaguar is terrible at 3D rendered graphics. Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

Is this just the nature of the Jaguar? Other than that, I love the styling of the hardware itself, and 2D games seem like a real blast!

[remowilliams]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

The Jag is hardly a 3D monster (though it's quite powerful at 2D) - but you picked two of the most awful games there for the system...

[Sauron]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult 2) The Jaguar is terrible at 3D rendered graphics. Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

Is this just the nature of the Jaguar? Other than that, I love the styling of the hardware itself, and 2D games seem like a real blast!

What remowilliams said. Also, if you can find one, definitely pick up the ProController. It's far superior to the standard Jag pad.

[Willard]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult 2) The Jaguar is terrible at 3D rendered graphics. Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

Is this just the nature of the Jaguar? Other than that, I love the styling of the hardware itself, and 2D games seem like a real blast!

There are some pretty nice 3D games for the time but very few that show off the system unfortunately. IMO some of the nicer looking ones are Battlemorph, Zero 5, Missile Command 3D, Phase Zero and Iron Soldier 2. Some developers like Atariowl are working on new releases that are intended to push the system but those may take some time.

Checkered Flag & Supercross are two of the worst though

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My favorites so far would have to be Tempest 2000, Doom, Wolfenstein 3d, Cybermorph, Hoverstrike, Iron Soldier in that order. I really haven't had a chance to give Iron Soldier the playtime it needs.

Iron Soldier is great, def. worth spending some time playing

Edited by Willard, Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:24 PM.

[sh3-rg]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult 2) The Jaguar is terrible at 3D rendered graphics. Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

Is this just the nature of the Jaguar? Other than that, I love the styling of the hardware itself, and 2D games seem like a real blast!

Come on.. it's was released in 1993 ffs Back when kids were still playing their SNES & Megadrives. Of course it looks utter arse in 2011...

The 2D stuff still stands up well today though & always will do, that's the nature of the beast with 2D gaming... the nostalgia, familiarity, simple pick-up-and-play fun of 2D is timeless, as all the new retro remakes, xbox/ps3/wii downloadable titles and countless mobile device games show again and again on a daily basis... it's not surprising hardly anyone gets moist at the thought of some 1993-level 3D as it was barely out of the gimmicky 'yeah, 3d! so wtf-do-we-do-now?!" phase of game evolution... For 3D the hardware simply didn't live up to developer's imaginations, whereas with 2D it's the player's imagination that often drives the experience & frees it from such superficial pitfalls.

Oh and yeah, remow's right, you couldn't have picked two worse games to try, sorry!

As for upcoming stuff that 'pushes' the Jaguar... these same lines are wheeled out every time someone mentions the poor performance of Jaguar's 3D games. Only time will tell how much of it actually makes it to a worthwhile gaming experience any of us can actually sit and play at home, that's the holy grail that's been touted for several years longer than the commercial life of the Jaguar. Awesome 3D Tech demos & engines are one thing & have their place - turning those into fully-featured, playable games that look impressive and capture the player's attention and imagination in 2011 will be nothing short of an astonishing amount of work... it's something dedicated teams of professionals couldn't nearly manage back when a decent amount of people actually cared about the Jaguar... the sheer amount of work in testing and refinement cycles is utterly phenomenal. Not that it's impossible, just that I don't think there's a crack team of hardcore Jaguar devs out there that are really up for donating half of their adult lives to making it happen - because that's what it'd take being realistic. There's no point going balls-to-the-wall on the visuals if the underlying game doesn't go beyond what would have been much simpler to realise in 2D & just as much actual fun to play. Yeah, it's much easier to admit the Jag is a bit of a dog when it comes to designing & implementing 3D games of worth in 2011 & systems like the DC are far more straight-forward & fun to explore.

(Not looking to upset anyone or start a flame war, just my point of view from where I'm sitting... apologies if I came across otherwise, just stating the way I see things based on my experience of Atari homebrewing over the last 2 decades).

[Austin]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult

Hm.. There are a couple of aspects that could be causing this outlook.

First, the basic Jaguar controller comes in a couple of different models as mentioned above. One of the models (for me it was the one with the black numeric keys) has a very stiff d-pad. The other with the gray buttons had a far more loose d-pad and it's much easier to use. That's not to say the Jaguar d-pad is for everyone, and I do hear the Pro Controllers are great in comparison, but that's my experience with two types of basic controllers I have used.

Second, Raiden has sluggish movement compared to the arcade, or, say, PlayStation and Genesis versions of the game. It takes some getting used to if you have played any other versions, so that may be a factor as well.

[Willard]

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

Come on.. it's was released in 1993 ffs Back when kids were still playing their SNES & Megadrives. Of course it looks utter arse in 201...

Some Jaguar games look very good for their time but yea you're not going to find anything that's cutting edge today! No 2D or 3D game on the jaguar is going to look better than a 1080p top-seller from a loaded powerhouse developer... even ports of classics available on systems today aren't what they used to be with their motion control implementation, hi-def graphics, 3D glasses, sometimes complete reinvisioning .etc .etc

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

As for upcoming stuff that 'pushes' the Jaguar... these same lines are wheeled out every time someone mentions the poor performance of Jaguar's 3D games. Only time will tell how much of it actually makes it to a worthwhile gaming experience any of us can actually sit and play at home, that's the holy grail that's been touted for several years longer than the commercial life of the Jaguar

I did not mean to hold your breath for new games if that's how it read, there are already some nice looking ones out there that come close to pushing the Jaguar as far as it can go in the way of 3D. If you've had an eyefull of the current stuff already and want to check out more though (if you're interested in that kinda stuff!), then there are people working on it

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

The 2D stuff still stands up well today though & always will do, that's the nature of the beast with 2D gaming... the nostalgia, familiarity, simple pick-up-and-play fun of 2D timeless, as all the new retro remakes, xbox/ps3 downloadable titles and countless mobile device games show again and again on a daily basis...

Not looking to upset anyone or start a flame war, just my point of view from where I'm sitting...

I hardly think elaborate graphics make a game good (certainly they allow more interactivity and complexity), but personally I consider graphics totally different from gameplay Some of my favorite Jaguar games don't have the best graphics on the system (like iron soldier), but they're still more fun to play than most stuff released on next-gen platforms. I think the chunky polygons of the 90's have their charm and still dig out my Saturn .etc once in awhile. 2D stuff is great too though, even got a super cassette vision

But that's just my opinion too... we all play what we like!

Edited by Willard, Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:11 PM.

[Skarrj]

Metal Jesus, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 AM, said:

I played a Jaguar for the 1st time yesterday, and I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed in two aspects: 1) The d-pad on the controller is too shadow and makes controlling some games like Raiden very difficult 2) The Jaguar is terrible at 3D rendered graphics. Games like Checkered Flag & Supercross 3D have atrocious graphics and frame rates.

Is this just the nature of the Jaguar? Other than that, I love the styling of the hardware itself, and 2D games seem like a real blast!

Try Doom or Skyhammer then report back about the graphics

[Rex Dart]

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

Come on.. it's was released in 1993 ffs Back when kids were still playing their SNES & Megadrives. Of course it looks utter arse in 2011...

Macho Man = 3DO
Hamster = Your argument

[Skarrj]

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM, said:

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

Come on.. it's was released in 1993 ffs Back when kids were still playing their SNES & Megadrives. Of course it looks utter arse in 2011...

Macho Man = 3DO
Hamster = Your argument

I counter your hamster with this cobra

[sh3-rg]

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM, said:

Macho Man = 3DO
Hamster = Your argument

my argument appears to have been safely locked away in his cage during the cut-scene

your 3DO claims to be macho but all I see is an overweight hairy greased up chap of the type who enjoy rather a lot of touchy-feely with other bulky hirsuite baby-oil-botherers, often doing so in full view of consenting adults & impressionable children. mucho macho!!11one

score: 2/10

Really, I doubt many kids were playing with the $700 oily overweight hairy hamster molester for the 3 months he was on sale in 1993. Kids were still playing their SNES or their Mega Drive, not the 3do.

All totally besides the point I was making which was that it was 1993 & people often expect too much from a system that is now over 18 years old.

[Rex Dart]

sh3-rg, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:51 PM, said:

Really, I doubt many kids were playing with the $700 oily overweight hairy hamster molester for the 3 months he was on sale in 1993. Kids were still playing their SNES or their Mega Drive, not the 3do.

All totally besides the point I was making which was that it was 1993 & people often expect too much from a system that is now over 18 years old.

Oh, I understood your point 100%. I think you missed mine, which was that the 1993 3DO's 3D abilities mop the floor with the 1993 Jag's. Even those hard-to-reach corners & under appliances.

Edited by Rex Dart, Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 PM.

[CyranoJ]

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 PM, said:

Oh, I understood your point 100%. I think you missed mine, which was that the 1993 3DO's 3D abilities mop the floor with the 1993 Jag's. Even those hard-to-reach corners & under appliances.

[sarcasm]pre-rendered low resolution, badly acted fmv game on rails for the win![/sarcasm]

[sh3-rg]

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 PM, said:

Oh, I understood your point 100%. I think you missed mine, which was that the 1993 3DO's 3D abilities mop the floor with the 1993 Jag's. Even those hard-to-reach corners & under appliances.

Meh. They're both pretty shit. I don't waste my time comparing current systems never mine decades old ones.

[remowilliams]

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 PM, said:

which was that the 1993 3DO's 3D abilities mop the floor with the 1993 Jag's. Even those hard-to-reach corners & under appliances.

And then the Saturn came out a year later and didn't cost and arm an a leg, and crushed both of them flat in 3D power.

But that's not really relevant either to a thread of a new owner enjoying his Jaguar...

[sgrddy]

remowilliams, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:13 PM, said:

Rex Dart, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 PM, said:

which was that the 1993 3DO's 3D abilities mop the floor with the 1993 Jag's. Even those hard-to-reach corners & under appliances.

And then the Saturn came out a year later and didn't cost and arm an a leg, and crushed both of them flat in 3D power.

"...But the Jaguar 2 will blow them away."

[Rex Dart]

remowilliams, on Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:13 PM, said:

But that's not really relevant either to a thread of a new owner enjoying his Jaguar...

Wouldn't have brought it up if 1993 hadn't been used as an excuse for Checkered Flag and Supercross.

Enjoy the Jag though, it's a really cool system. Try out the pinball games on it, I enjoy 'em and they tend to be pretty cheap. Steer clear of Bubsy and White Men though, as if that really needs to be said.

[danny_galaga]

Congrats Texit! I was where you were maybe two years ago. Bought a new Jag and discovered that it's much better than popular press would have you believe. You definitely have to try out Iron Soldier. I just got Doom the other day, but I much prefer AVP, even though Doom has a silky smooth frame rate. Doom has always made me nauseous and confused! AVP just makes me confused

You can probably guess from my avatar that I don't mind Tempest 2000 either...

Edited by danny_galaga, Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:46 AM.

[Mark T]

None of the pics link's work?

I was thinking about getting a new Jaguar but the one I currently own is in mint condition even tho the box is a lil beat up.

[texit]

Mark T, on Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:35 PM, said:

None of the pics link's work?

I was thinking about getting a new Jaguar but the one I currently own is in mint condition even tho the box is a lil beat up.

The links for the pictures should work, I just tried them while at work and they came up fine.

My second New Jaguar arrives today! I am going to keep this one sealed. Although, I may open it and keep it as a spare just in case the one I have now breaks. Addiction.

Edited by texit, Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:05 PM.