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#1 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 2:53 AM

I am not a fan of Bethesda's games at all, feeling they are one of the worst batch of talent out there (in comparison to many other companies)...

... and although I hate their games, I never had anything to dislike about the company themselves. I don't mind that they're creating crappy games, letting their servers get hacked, and in turn loosing lots of valuable customer data. As long as they dont have a negative effect on the game industry, or better yet, the consumers of this industry.

The lawsuit comes into play over Notch (the head honcho of minecraft), having been working on a new game called 'scrolls', which is like a mixture of a role playing game, board game, and collectible card game. The problem is all 100% in the name. Bethesda is suing due to the fact that 'The Elder Scrolls' and 'Scrolls' are too similar, and demands that they change their games name.

One thing that is really stupid about this as that people seem to only refer to their new game as 'Skyrim', not 'The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim', making the lawsuit unnecessary.

One common theme around this story on various websites is that Minecraft and Skyrim are being released on the same day, and this may Bethesda acting out against it losing some of its shine. Although I doubt this to be true, it is still a possibility.

The reason this upsets me is that I really hate when the big companies bully the little companies, this happened to my favorite energy drink called 'Freak' whom was sued by 'Monster' for stealing their style or design or something like that. Freak having weak lawyers, is no longer in existence.

...and supposedly this is just the start of Bethesda's legal department going crazy. More is supposedly to come. I wish LulzSec was never caught. I feel like Bethesda deserves another nice hacking after this bull. It seems like hackers are the only ones who can actually make a negative impact on a company, when they are being bad.

So, that being said, now I have a fourth company to add to my hate list (Apple, Nintendo, EA, and Bethesda).

I dont mind when companies try to make money, after all thats the whole point of a company, but I feel like this is completely unnecessary, and wouldnt effect Bethesda in anyway at all!

This simply feels like the big guy trying to push down the little guy, just because they know they can win...

Anyway... whats your thoughts behind Bethesda, and them suing Notch?

Do you think its silly that a company can hold a trademark for a single word that has been around for such a long time?

PS. Notch filed for the patient of the title Scrolls a while ago.

-------------on a side note----------------
I didnt feel this was worthy enough of its own thread. Yet I found it very interesting. John Carmack (programmer of doom + quake), of id software, was talking about looking back at the atari 2600(having owned one as a kid), and although he doubts he will find the time to, would love to try and program a game for it. He also seemed rather intrigued by the people whom still do focus their skills on stuff like that.

He mentioned this during quake-con, just a day or two ago, and I found it very interesting, seeing as I love his work.

Edited by explosiveegg, Sat Aug 6, 2011 3:14 AM.


#2 HuckleCat OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 7:06 AM

Notch is actually friends with some of the devs at Bethesda.

This is more likely a stunt pulled by the lawyers representing Bethesda, believing this to be a "smart move" now that Mojang is gaining popularity due to Minecraft.

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets dropped within the next week.

#3 Jifremok OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 2:04 PM

Ooh, maybe Scrolls could be renamed Younger Scrolls. :D

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 2:07 PM

View Postexplosiveegg, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 2:53 AM, said:

I didnt feel this was worthy enough of its own thread. Yet I found it very interesting. John Carmack (programmer of doom + quake), of id software, was talking about looking back at the atari 2600(having owned one as a kid), and although he doubts he will find the time to, would love to try and program a game for it. He also seemed rather intrigued by the people whom still do focus their skills on stuff like that.

Ha, that's awesome! John Carmack is certainly the man. At least from this gamer's perspective. :)

#5 StoneAgeGamer OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 10:02 PM

When I registered my trademark they specifically told me I could not stop anyone from using the word "gamer" in their name. "Scrolls" is a pretty common word used in video games and I doubt anything will come of this.

#6 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 6, 2011 11:21 PM

View PostStoneAgeGamer, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 10:02 PM, said:

When I registered my trademark they specifically told me I could not stop anyone from using the word "gamer" in their name. "Scrolls" is a pretty common word used in video games and I doubt anything will come of this.
Its bizarre though, theyre are a lot of words that can kind of be seen trademarked (the best example I can think of is how all the HTC Droid phones have to pay royalties to George Lucas, because he has Droid copyrighted). Yet the term scroll has been around for such a long time.

Its silly stuff like this that really scares me, where the little guy cant move an inch without having lawsuits surround him.

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Posted Sun Aug 7, 2011 7:59 AM

View Postexplosiveegg, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 11:21 PM, said:

View PostStoneAgeGamer, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 10:02 PM, said:

When I registered my trademark they specifically told me I could not stop anyone from using the word "gamer" in their name. "Scrolls" is a pretty common word used in video games and I doubt anything will come of this.
Its bizarre though, theyre are a lot of words that can kind of be seen trademarked (the best example I can think of is how all the HTC Droid phones have to pay royalties to George Lucas, because he has Droid copyrighted). Yet the term scroll has been around for such a long time.

Its silly stuff like this that really scares me, where the little guy cant move an inch without having lawsuits surround him.

Yeah I don't understand it exactly either. But using my trademark as an example if someone wanted to start a company called just "Gamer" I could not stop them even though "Gamer" is part of my trademark as well. So unless Bethesda trademarked just "Scrolls" then I am unsure if they have a leg to stand on. The thing is you cannot trademark something and not use it. So I can't go out and trade mark "Super Cool" in hopes that someday someone will infringe on it so I can sue them. You have to show proof of the product, service, company, etc. you are trademarking. So if you made a product called "Wizzymajig" you would have to give proof to the trademark/patent office that you indeed have a product called Wizzyjig that you produce and sell.

This is why there are so many lawyers. This kind of stuff can get confusing fast.

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Posted Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:40 AM

View PostHuckleCat, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 7:06 AM, said:

Notch is actually friends with some of the devs at Bethesda.

This is more likely a stunt pulled by the lawyers representing Bethesda, believing this to be a "smart move" now that Mojang is gaining popularity due to Minecraft.

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets dropped within the next week.
So it's fake? Just like everything else on the internet, I suppose.
+1 to cynicism on my character sheet, yet again.

#9 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:42 PM

View PostReaperman, on Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:40 AM, said:

View PostHuckleCat, on Sat Aug 6, 2011 7:06 AM, said:

Notch is actually friends with some of the devs at Bethesda.

This is more likely a stunt pulled by the lawyers representing Bethesda, believing this to be a "smart move" now that Mojang is gaining popularity due to Minecraft.

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets dropped within the next week.
So it's fake? Just like everything else on the internet, I suppose.
+1 to cynicism on my character sheet, yet again.
It could get dropped.

Notch actually posted one of the 15 page letter that the law team at bethesda sent him on the twitter.

So its not fake...

He then send them a message in reply, asking to speak with them.

It may not ever make it to the court room, but that doesnt mean its not fake.

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Posted Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:06 PM

View PostReaperman, on Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:40 AM, said:


So it's fake? Just like everything else on the internet, I suppose.
+1 to cynicism on my character sheet, yet again.


I'm not saying it's fake, I'm saying the lawyers representing Bethesda are likely acting upon "Defend my IP" without really going over the details with the developers. This actually happens quite often with the lawyers representing Lucasfilm/Lucasarts.

In fact, from Kotaku:

"Reached for comment by Kotaku, Notch said he had to eat dinner first. He's also cheerfully Tweeted that he still loves Bethesda ("This is hopefully just lawyers being lawyers.") and is looking forward to the company's Prey 2.
Just two month ago, Notch and Skyrim lead creator Todd Howard happily interviewed each other for Game Informer magazine. (Pictured left and watchable here). They seemed to get along very well. And Notch has even wanted to release the post-beta version of Minecraft officially on the same day as Skyrim, though he's since decided to bump it back a few days. All's seemingly going well with these two crews."

-1 to Perception on your character sheet.

#11 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:54 PM

View PostHuckleCat, on Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:06 PM, said:

View PostReaperman, on Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:40 AM, said:


So it's fake? Just like everything else on the internet, I suppose.
+1 to cynicism on my character sheet, yet again.


I'm not saying it's fake, I'm saying the lawyers representing Bethesda are likely acting upon "Defend my IP" without really going over the details with the developers. This actually happens quite often with the lawyers representing Lucasfilm/Lucasarts.

In fact, from Kotaku:

"Reached for comment by Kotaku, Notch said he had to eat dinner first. He's also cheerfully Tweeted that he still loves Bethesda ("This is hopefully just lawyers being lawyers.") and is looking forward to the company's Prey 2.
Just two month ago, Notch and Skyrim lead creator Todd Howard happily interviewed each other for Game Informer magazine. (Pictured left and watchable here). They seemed to get along very well. And Notch has even wanted to release the post-beta version of Minecraft officially on the same day as Skyrim, though he's since decided to bump it back a few days. All's seemingly going well with these two crews."

-1 to Perception on your character sheet.
Wouldnt you expect it to be zenimax that would do this stuff though.

#12 Karyyk OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Aug 9, 2011 10:23 PM

What about Scrolls of Abaddon for Atari 8-Bit computers?

http://www.atarimani...adon-_4554.html

If he's still alive, Frank Cohen needs to get himself a lawyer or something. If I were Notch, I'd stand my ground and fight it. The Elder Scrolls games aren't the first games with "Scrolls" in the tile and the idea that you can copyright a single common word is outrageous (in the case of the Lucas example, it was basically a shortening of the word "androids." I'm pretty sure it wasn't commonly used prior to the Star Wars movies, so it's possibly a very different scenario).

#13 Zing OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:07 PM

They just don't want to be embarrassed when Scrolls sells more copies than their game in the first week.

#14 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:15 PM

-------NEW INTEL--------

Notch has proposed a solution, that I surely hope they wont refuse.

He wants a 'Fight to the Death'!

AKA, best of 3 on Quake 3, him against their lawyers.

If notch wins, he gets to keep the title, if he doesnt he has to change it to something that is approved by bethesda.

Would the not be fun to watch? ;)

(ps, this is legit, he did actually propose that)

------------ Also he announced that minecraft would be finished as a full game on 11/11/11... does that date sound familiar? *cough* same release date as skyrim *cough*.

Edited by explosiveegg, Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:17 PM.


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Posted Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:46 PM

Maybe Epyx should sue Bethesda for using "Oblivion" in a game title:

Oblivion.png

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Posted Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:13 PM

lawyers gotta lawy.

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View Postexplosiveegg, on Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:15 PM, said:

-------NEW INTEL--------

Notch has proposed a solution, that I surely hope they wont refuse.

He wants a 'Fight to the Death'!

AKA, best of 3 on Quake 3, him against their lawyers.

If notch wins, he gets to keep the title, if he doesnt he has to change it to something that is approved by bethesda.

Would the not be fun to watch? ;)

(ps, this is legit, he did actually propose that)

------------ Also he announced that minecraft would be finished as a full game on 11/11/11... does that date sound familiar? *cough* same release date as skyrim *cough*.

Heh. I'd pay money to watch that!

#18 explosiveegg OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:08 PM

View PostAniman, on Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:52 PM, said:

View Postexplosiveegg, on Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:15 PM, said:

-------NEW INTEL--------

Notch has proposed a solution, that I surely hope they wont refuse.

He wants a 'Fight to the Death'!

AKA, best of 3 on Quake 3, him against their lawyers.

If notch wins, he gets to keep the title, if he doesnt he has to change it to something that is approved by bethesda.

Would the not be fun to watch? ;)

(ps, this is legit, he did actually propose that)

------------ Also he announced that minecraft would be finished as a full game on 11/11/11... does that date sound familiar? *cough* same release date as skyrim *cough*.

Heh. I'd pay money to watch that!
I know! Quake 3 is in my oppinion one of the best multiplayer shooters ever created. To see a game with that big a stakes would be really fun to watch.




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