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[Animan]

http://kotaku.com/58...-redesigned-3ds

I will sum up the rumors for those too lazy:

-Nintendo is working on a redesigned 3DS for 2012.
-The new system will most likely have a second analog nub, and possibly a different name entirely.
-The new system will "radically tone down" the 3D. This probably means the marketing strategy won't list the 3D as the system's main feature.
-Nintendo is also working on a $10 detachable second analog nub for the 3DS.
-Nintendo is already asking 3rd parties to make their 3DS games work with two analog nubs.
-It mentions internal troubles at the Big N. Dev kits are being made at 300 units a month, and the waiting list for devs to get the dev kits is getting big.
-It notes that many Nintendo employees are realizing the lack of a second analog nub was a "major, major mistake".

These are just rumors, but 01Net does have a decent track record with these kinds of things (they named the specs of the Vita, and confirmed the touchscreen controller of the Wii U).

Nintendo is holding a pre-Tokyo Game Show event on September 13th pertaining to the 3DS, so we might see this confirmed.

Discuss.

[GKC]

I think Nintendo should wait out the Holiday season ( if they can ) before they potentially hurt it with talk of a new/different handheld. With the price drop, the games scheduled out and no competition from Sony's new handheld this Holiday season could potentially be big for the 3ds. Talk of a redesign or even a completely different handheld in 2012 would surely hurt the 3ds.

Perhaps it is already too late?

Edited by GKC, Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:31 PM.

[Animan]

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:28 PM, said:

I think Nintendo should wait out the Holiday season ( if they can ) before they potentially hurt it with talk of a new/different handheld. With the price drop, the games scheduled out and no competition from Sony's new handheld this Holiday season could potentially be big for the 3ds. Talk of a redesign or even a completely different handheld in 2012 would surely hurt the 3ds.

Perhaps it is already too late?

I agree. Maybe Ninty is just making a back-up plan in case the new games still don't increase 3DS sales.

A second analog nub add-on would be neat, but I just don't know how they can do it. I mean, there's no expansion slot for it to be plugged into, unless they can somehow use the headphone/microphone jack for I/O.

Maybe they can make a "nub" with a tip on the underside that attaches to the touchscreen, and it acts as a "stylus". However, that'd make it so you can't use the touchscreen while the second nub is being used.

[ComputerSpaceFan]

Already discussed in this thread

[atarian63]

Animan, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:59 PM, said:

http://kotaku.com/58...-redesigned-3ds

I will sum up the rumors for those too lazy:

-Nintendo is working on a redesigned 3DS for 2012.
-The new system will most likely have a second analog nub, and possibly a different name entirely.
-The new system will "radically tone down" the 3D. This probably means the marketing strategy won't list the 3D as the system's main feature.
-Nintendo is also working on a $10 detachable second analog nub for the 3DS.
-Nintendo is already asking 3rd parties to make their 3DS games work with two analog nubs.
-It mentions internal troubles at the Big N. Dev kits are being made at 300 units a month, and the waiting list for devs to get the dev kits is getting big.
-It notes that many Nintendo employees are realizing the lack of a second analog nub was a "major, major mistake".

These are just rumors, but 01Net does have a decent track record with these kinds of things (they named the specs of the Vita, and confirmed the touchscreen controller of the Wii U).

Nintendo is holding a pre-Tokyo Game Show event on September 13th pertaining to the 3DS, so we might see this confirmed.

Discuss.

I like having only the one analog stick, I wont be buying one with 2 sticks. Seems to me like the current version is just right.

Edited by atarian63, Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:33 PM.

[Animan]

atarian63, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:32 PM, said:

Animan, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:59 PM, said:

http://kotaku.com/58...-redesigned-3ds

I will sum up the rumors for those too lazy:

-Nintendo is working on a redesigned 3DS for 2012.
-The new system will most likely have a second analog nub, and possibly a different name entirely.
-The new system will "radically tone down" the 3D. This probably means the marketing strategy won't list the 3D as the system's main feature.
-Nintendo is also working on a $10 detachable second analog nub for the 3DS.
-Nintendo is already asking 3rd parties to make their 3DS games work with two analog nubs.
-It mentions internal troubles at the Big N. Dev kits are being made at 300 units a month, and the waiting list for devs to get the dev kits is getting big.
-It notes that many Nintendo employees are realizing the lack of a second analog nub was a "major, major mistake".

These are just rumors, but 01Net does have a decent track record with these kinds of things (they named the specs of the Vita, and confirmed the touchscreen controller of the Wii U).

Nintendo is holding a pre-Tokyo Game Show event on September 13th pertaining to the 3DS, so we might see this confirmed.

Discuss.

I like having only the one analog stick, I wont be buying one with 2 sticks. Seems to me like the current version is just right.

True that. But many have said the new Kid Icarus really needs a second analog nub, and using the touchscreen like that was hurting their hands.

[GKC]

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2. Obviously I want it to be supported longer but those are the reason I bought the 3ds when I did and at least those would give me a library of 8 or so solid games. Could be worse. Although I could see Nintendo, at this expected future press conference, saying something along the lines of "all current development of games x,y and z will be moving to our new (fill in the blank) handheld" Something like that may be enough to break my last nerve towards modern gaming.

Edited by GKC, Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM.

[Reaperman]

I guess a second analog nub might be neat. Analog triggers would be better IMO.

They really want my attention, they'll remove a screen. I hate having to glance so far from the action just to see the map, or my speedometer.

Edited by Reaperman, Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:07 PM.

[atarian63]

Animan, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:35 PM, said:

atarian63, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:32 PM, said:

Animan, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:59 PM, said:

http://kotaku.com/58...-redesigned-3ds

I will sum up the rumors for those too lazy:

-Nintendo is working on a redesigned 3DS for 2012.
-The new system will most likely have a second analog nub, and possibly a different name entirely.
-The new system will "radically tone down" the 3D. This probably means the marketing strategy won't list the 3D as the system's main feature.
-Nintendo is also working on a $10 detachable second analog nub for the 3DS.
-Nintendo is already asking 3rd parties to make their 3DS games work with two analog nubs.
-It mentions internal troubles at the Big N. Dev kits are being made at 300 units a month, and the waiting list for devs to get the dev kits is getting big.
-It notes that many Nintendo employees are realizing the lack of a second analog nub was a "major, major mistake".

These are just rumors, but 01Net does have a decent track record with these kinds of things (they named the specs of the Vita, and confirmed the touchscreen controller of the Wii U).

Nintendo is holding a pre-Tokyo Game Show event on September 13th pertaining to the 3DS, so we might see this confirmed.

Discuss.

I like having only the one analog stick, I wont be buying one with 2 sticks. Seems to me like the current version is just right.

True that. But many have said the new Kid Icarus really needs a second analog nub, and using the touchscreen like that was hurting their hands.

You have a point there.

[atarian63]

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2. Obviously I want it to be supported longer but those are the reason I bought the 3ds when I did and at least those would give me a library of 8 or so solid games. Could be worse. Although I could see Nintendo, at this expected future press conference, saying something along the lines of "all current development of games x,y and z will be moving to our new (fill in the blank) handheld" Something like that may be enough to break my last nerve towards modern gaming.

That would be a sega ish move for sure.

[wood_jl]

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2.

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

[Robocop2]

Mario Kart Party Land Galaxy 3D Brawl

Edited by Robocop2, Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:22 PM.

[Animan]

wood_jl, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:15 AM, said:

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

I guess you didn't watch the game trailer:



Then again, a track editor would have been nice...

Edited by Animan, Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:51 PM.

[Rex Dart]

wood_jl, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:15 AM, said:

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2.

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

Then play something new & innovative; plenty of people want a new Mario Kart, but nobody is forcing you to play it.
Also, welcome to the Racing genre. This is how it works.

Animan, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:35 PM, said:

But many have said the new Kid Icarus really needs a second analog nub, and using the touchscreen like that was hurting their hands.

Kid Icarus needs to be released for a system that can handle it; I don't think the 3DS is the best choice. Sorry, Nintendo.

Edited by Rex Dart, Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:00 PM.

[Reaperman]

Animan, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:48 PM, said:

I guess you didn't watch the game trailer:

All those 'penny racer' games from last gen just called--they want their game back.

[TheGameCollector]

wood_jl, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:15 AM, said:

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2.

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

Yeah we do. For the love of more levels on a game that's always fun. Just wait till there is yet another Pokemon game. How many will exist by then????

[wood_jl]

Rex Dart, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:58 PM, said:

wood_jl, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:15 AM, said:

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2.

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

Then play something new & innovative; plenty of people want a new Mario Kart, but nobody is forcing you to play it.

I never intimated that anybody was forcing me to play it. I just asked whether or not the world needs ANOTHER kart game. I think they're interesting, but they've all been about the same fun since Mario Kart 64, just different gimmicks tacked on. I didn't realize I'd offend kart racing/mario fans (esp. adults) by posing the question.

Rex Dart, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:58 PM, said:

Also, welcome to the Racing genre. This is how it works.

Thanks, but I'm not new to the racing genre. Perhaps "this is how" the kart racing genre works - SSDD.

Edited by wood_jl, Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:38 AM.

[Animan]

wood_jl, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:31 AM, said:

I never intimated that anybody was forcing me to play it. I just asked whether or not the world needs ANOTHER kart game. I think they're interesting, but they've all been about the same fun since Mario Kart 64, just different gimmicks tacked on. I didn't realize I'd offend kart racing/mario fans (esp. adults) by posing the question.

I think of it this way: It's new hardware. I'd rather play Mario Kart 7 on my 3DS than play Mario Kart DS on the same system. It's like saying "Why do we need YET ANOTHER version of Windows when we already have XP?".

If it was the exact same game as Mario Kart DS, but with better graphics, it WOULD be pointless. But, this adds the hangglider, propeller, new tracks, possibly better online, better graphics, analog control, etc.

However, I do see your point. Remakes are being done to death these days.

[Reaperman]

Animan, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:49 PM, said:

If it was the exact same game as Mario Kart DS, but with better graphics, it WOULD be pointless. But, this adds the hangglider, propeller, new tracks, possibly better online, better graphics, analog control, etc.

On a side note, I hope N has a helluva plan for killing cheating--that just destroyed Mario Kart DS's online, and with dozens of similar devices already available for 3ds, I'd expect the same problems. It's a shame. The DS version was otherwise supurb except for these online aspects (both the cheating and d-pad-killing snaking moves)

From what I've seen, I don't see the 3ds mario kart as being better than the DS one, but online could be that mystery factor.

Edited by Reaperman, Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:06 PM.

[Animan]

Reaperman, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:03 PM, said:

Animan, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:49 PM, said:

If it was the exact same game as Mario Kart DS, but with better graphics, it WOULD be pointless. But, this adds the hangglider, propeller, new tracks, possibly better online, better graphics, analog control, etc.

On a side note, I hope N has a helluva plan for killing cheating--that just destroyed Mario Kart DS's online, and with dozens of similar devices already available for 3ds, I'd expect the same problems. It's a shame. The DS version was otherwise supurb except for these online aspects (both the cheating and d-pad-killing snaking moves)

3DS cheating devices? I know the DS ones work on the 3DS, but there isn't any cheating devices that work with 3DS games yet.

[ComputerSpaceFan]

Animan, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:06 PM, said:

Reaperman, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:03 PM, said:

Animan, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:49 PM, said:

If it was the exact same game as Mario Kart DS, but with better graphics, it WOULD be pointless. But, this adds the hangglider, propeller, new tracks, possibly better online, better graphics, analog control, etc.

On a side note, I hope N has a helluva plan for killing cheating--that just destroyed Mario Kart DS's online, and with dozens of similar devices already available for 3ds, I'd expect the same problems. It's a shame. The DS version was otherwise supurb except for these online aspects (both the cheating and d-pad-killing snaking moves)

3DS cheating devices? I know the DS ones work on the 3DS, but there isn't any cheating devices that work with 3DS games yet.

I think he means "snaking" cuz there was tons of that in Mario Kart DS

[Reaperman]

Animan, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:06 PM, said:

3DS cheating devices? I know the DS ones work on the 3DS, but there isn't any cheating devices that work with 3DS games yet.

All of the piracy devices are capable of running a patched version of the game, and I strongly suspect that they're also capable of cheating in stock games in the same way that the DS piracy cards all did.

With the cost of these devices being 1/3 the cost of a legitimate game, there will be a lot of them out there.

Edited by Reaperman, Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:14 PM.

[Rex Dart]

wood_jl, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:31 AM, said:

Rex Dart, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:58 PM, said:

Then play something new & innovative; plenty of people want a new Mario Kart, but nobody is forcing you to play it.

I never intimated that anybody was forcing me to play it. I just asked whether or not the world needs ANOTHER kart game. I think they're interesting, but they've all been about the same fun since Mario Kart 64, just different gimmicks tacked on. I didn't realize I'd offend kart racing/mario fans (esp. adults) by posing the question.

If you want to get into that never-ending game, well... I never claimed you intimated it, either. I just made the point that if you don't want to play a new Mario Kart, then you don't have to.

wood_jl, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:31 AM, said:

Thanks, but I'm not new to the racing genre. Perhaps "this is how" the kart racing genre works - SSDD.

"I'm upset by the fact that a new entry in a racing series adds tracks, vehicles, and gameplay mechanics" doesn't jive with "I'm not new to the racing genre". What more do/did you expect from Mario Kart 7?

[wood_jl]

Rex Dart, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:17 PM, said:

wood_jl, on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:31 AM, said:

Thanks, but I'm not new to the racing genre. Perhaps "this is how" the kart racing genre works - SSDD.

"I'm upset by the fact that a new entry in a racing series adds tracks, vehicles, and gameplay mechanics" doesn't jive with "I'm not new to the racing genre". What more do/did you expect from Mario Kart 7?

Yeah, I get you. In more realistic racing games, there has been a lot more advancement. Many new sophisticated and differentiated vehicles. Much more detail/lighting/shading (etc) to the vehicles, and backgrounds - than kart racing with similar cartoon vehicles in a cartoon world. Mario Kart 64 and Gran Turismo (1) are about the same age. Gran Turismo 5 is quite a greater distance from Gran Turismo 1 than is Mario Kart 3DS (or whichever) from Mario Kart 64.

Edited by wood_jl, Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:07 PM.

[GKC]

wood_jl, on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:15 AM, said:

GKC, on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM, said:

Well hopefully they stick with the 3ds long enough to release Mario Land, Mario Kart, Star Fox and Luigi's Mansion 2.

Seriously? We really need *another* version of Mario Kart? Aren't there enough? I'd like to see something new an innovative, personally.

I can understand your desire for something new and and innovative (I hold a similar view towards Madden) and hopefully the 3ds will be supported long enough to do just that but until that time I don't mind picking up a series I enjoy and can see myself getting more than my money's worth with it.

It's funny but with all the gameplay differences and different tracks that the DS and Wii versions of MK brought it's the retro tracks that I like the most.