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[xg4bx]

i saw this today-

Warner Bros. has confirmed to Eurogamer that the Batman: Arkham City VIP pass unlocks playable Catwoman content.

The Batman: Arkham City online pass unlocks Catwoman as a playable character, it has been revealed.
Streams of the game being played reveal that Catwoman is only playable for those who have bought a new copy of the game or buy a code.

"Catwoman is a unique character with her own story, moves, and weapons. Unlock Catwoman by redeeming the 1st purchaser included in the game case or by visiting Xbox Live Marketplace," says the game's title screen. "


http://www.eurogamer...nlocks-catwoman


ok, thats cool if you want catwoman.its just a costume or something extra right? nothing i'll really miss if i buy the game used. but then theres this-

Catwoman Missions 'Make Up 10%' Of Batman: Arkham City

A report today suggests that Catwoman is part of Arkham City's online pass system, meaning that if you buy a pre-owned copy of the game, her campaign missions will need to be unlocked with the purchase of a code.

http://www.nowgamer....rkham_city.html



so now you're missing out on game story content in single player games and not getting a full game if you decide to save a few bucks and buy a used copy or don't have your console online.

this relegates the game to full skip status for me. i cannot support practices like this. no matter how you feel about used games, this is beyond the pale of what we've seen before.

Edited by xg4bx, Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:39 AM.

[Mord]

xg4bx, on Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:27 AM, said:

this relegates the game to full skip status for me. i cannot support practices like this. no matter how you feel about used games, this is beyond the pale of what we've seen before.

I keep telling people this is a slippery slope. I'm glad I've already gotten off it, and taken my money with me. If you tolerate it, it WILL be pushed further. We've had YEARS of examples of this by now.

I've got enough games to keep me occupied that seriously (SERIOUSLY) need some attention. I won't even notice the next 10 generations of consoles/handhelds.

[Mendon]

Rage does a similar thing, in that certain areas of the game (you access them thru manholes) won't be available to a gamer unless a code has been entered.

Story here: http://www.gamespot....entive-detailed



At one time, besides boycotting any company that employed a Online Pass system, I was mad as hell about this issue and ranting about it to anyone that would listen. I have since mellowed out and realized that this whole Online Pass-Single Player Pass situation isn't worth getting upset about because it won't be an issue much longer as the days of total digital downloads... i.e. no physical media.... will very soon be "The Law of the Land" in gaming.

I've been selling - trading my current systems and games and returning to "the days of yore".... retro gaming... where I don't have to worry about Passes, DLC, Account Hacking, Online Games Being Hacked, Ban Hammers, EULA's, and all the other little quirks of modern gaming.

I'm still doing Wii - DSI gaming because Nintendo has taken a much more customer friendly approach to this "issue": they simply reward gamers for buying new and not penalizing them for buying used.

By turning on my 2600, 800XL, Odyssey 2, Saturn, Dreamcast (and waiting for my just purchased Colecovision to arrive), I've discovered that that the only frustration I now feel is not making a jump or being killed by an Infected Rat while playing a game of Legend of Zelda or Mr. Do or Gateway to Apshai or Shining Force.

And I'm having fun!!


Mendon

Edited by Mendon, Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:56 AM.

[Wntermute]

Actually, the Catwoman content is day-one DLC. If you have a code or not, you're still going to be making a ~250MB download. And GameStop is footing the bill for/providing codes on used games purchased through them.

[Cybergoth]

Wntermute, on Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:11 PM, said:

Actually, the Catwoman content is day-one DLC. If you have a code or not, you're still going to be making a ~250MB download. And GameStop is footing the bill for/providing codes on used games purchased through them.

So if you're buying it in 15 years, it's crippled, no matter what...

[MagitekAngel]

Cybergoth, on Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM, said:

Wntermute, on Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:11 PM, said:

Actually, the Catwoman content is day-one DLC. If you have a code or not, you're still going to be making a ~250MB download. And GameStop is footing the bill for/providing codes on used games purchased through them.

So if you're buying it in 15 years, it's crippled, no matter what...

This is my primary grievance. Ten years from now, this generation will be regarded as a lost era, because the surviving physical games will only be half-done, with no way to get the rest of the content.

[Wntermute]

Cybergoth, on Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM, said:

So if you're buying it in 15 years, it's crippled, no matter what...

Or less.. there's already DLC content unavailable for titles such as Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2.

[Rex Dart]

Whatever, I'll just download it & not feel gypped. Sucks to be a paying customer!

[Animan]

Gabe Newell once made a good point.

When Valve wanted to localize their games in Russia, everyone told them "You'll never make money there. Everyone pirates". Well, as it turns out, Valve saw that the pirates were doing a better job localizing the games than the actual game companies were. So Valve invested into localizing their games in Russia, and made Steam something people wouldn't mind paying for.

Here's the link: http://neogaf.net/fo....php?p=30549432

And I agree with Mendon. Nintendo knows how to do it. You only get penalized if you pirate or hack.

[onlysublime]

dude, I remember back in the day with Falcon and other games, having to turn to page whatever in the game manual to type in a word. or better yet, using the decoder wheel to figure out the code.

[HuckleCat]

Cough.. COUGH, HACK
*wheeze*... COUGH.. http://www.xecuter.com/ .. COUGH...

*Ahem*...

Sorry, just had to clear my throat.

[Gabriel]

I know this is a classic gaming forum and the age of most games in our collections is older than the typical game developer, but this whole argument about "it's crippled in 15 years" is a useless piece of bullshit.

If you want to play the game, play it NOW. Don't worry about 15 goddamn years from now. By obsessing about the game's playability 15 years from now, you're only revealing you don't give a shit about the game in the first place and are just looking for something to bitch about.

Not too long from now, this game will be easily available new for $20 and the same people bitching about it's lack of content at $60 will be complaining about it being "crippled" at $20. Obviously no amount of content is enough.

[Cybergoth]

Gabriel, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:52 PM, said:

I know this is a classic gaming forum and the age of most games in our collections is older than the typical game developer, but this whole argument about "it's crippled in 15 years" is a useless piece of bullshit.

It's not. I buy and play games that are even older than 15 years all the time.

Gabriel, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:52 PM, said:

If you want to play the game, play it NOW. Don't worry about 15 goddamn years from now. By obsessing about the game's playability 15 years from now, you're only revealing you don't give a shit about the game in the first place and are just looking for something to bitch about.

So you're saying that, while here's obviously people that manage to enjoy playing e.g. NES/SNES/Genesis games today, in 15 years nobody will be interested in playing Arkham City? The person who might have an interest in playing it then could possibly be a 5 year old today.

Basically you just sound selfish and shortsighted.

[Gabriel]

Cybergoth, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:06 PM, said:

Basically you just sound selfish and shortsighted.

Won't Somebody Think Of The Children!!!!!! In other words, right back atcha.

Obviously you don't think a new copy is worth full MSRP. Is it worth 50% MSRP? 30% MSRP? 10% MSRP? Or do you just feel entitled to it for free?

Do you give a fuck about this game? Or are you just worried about some hypothetical child who wants to play it 15 years from now? Don't be worried, I'm sure it will be "archived" so that the currently unborn can play it in 15 years for "historical retrospective."

To be clear, I don't give a festering fuck about this game, or Batman in general. I'm just consistently amazed at the crap that raises a stink here in regards to DLC, Everyone is so concerned about the playability of stuff like Madden and this in 20 years? Really?

As far as I'm concerned, "I paid $60 and I don't feel I got my money's worth of content out of the game." is a valid argument and worthy of discussion. However, "I paid $2.99 to dig the game out of the Gamestop discard bin 5 years after the fact, and I feel incensed that I can't play Catwoman." is not.

[Mord]

Gabriel, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:52 PM, said:

If you want to play the game, play it NOW. Don't worry about 15 goddamn years from now. By obsessing about the game's playability 15 years from now, you're only revealing you don't give a shit about the game in the first place and are just looking for something to bitch about.

Let me lay the situation on you sparky. I have over 100 games from the PS2 era, on the PS2 alone, that all still need to be played. I bought just about every one of them with the intent to play. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH BLOODY HOURS IN THE DAY TO PLAY IT ALL "NOW". My time for gaming is limited. I tend to prefer RPGs that are TIME CONSUMING. And where I don't have a family, it's easy to see how most others on here especially would have even LESS time than I do.

I have PS1 games still unplayed. Those things are nearing the 15 year mark already, if they were hacked to pieces like PS3/360 games are today... thankfully those were shipped AFTER they were finished.

So sit down and shut up before deciding for us why we're bitching.

*addition*

And I'll point out a few more things. While I do get used games, there are quite a bunch in the previous era bought new. This is one of the reasons I also get pissed off about games being sold as new yet gutted by GameStop. I want that thing to still look new for when I actually get the chance to play it. These aren't all things I'm picking up for 3 bucks at GameStop. These are things that have been sitting on my shelf waiting their turn.

Edited by Mord, Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:13 PM.

[Gabriel]

I currently have about 100 PS2 games (after I've sold about 100), and my favorite genre is JRPGs (of which about half those 100 PS2 games are). I have somewhere between 200 and 300 games of that style alone in my game collection. My time is limited by work which constantly demmands overtime, putting in hours on the weekends, and crippling sleep apnea. There are not enough bloody hours in the day to play it all now.

Oh sure, we can discuss whether it's fair that some of the NIS releases are insanely difficult without the free DLC. Yep. All that stuff is going to disappear someday. Yep, it sucks.

Does it make the game totally worthless in the here and now? Nope. it's only damaged because of our rare circumstance of overconsumption.

BTW, I'm not quite sure if you're trying to throw my own background in my face, or if you're being honest and our tastes are similar and you were unaware. If it's the latter, then consider your mission successful, because I feel duly invisible and I wonder why I ever bothered posting here. You win. I'm going to shut up now.

[potatohead]

Thank you.

[Reaperman]

I decided a good bit ago that new video games aren't really worth collecting anymore, and probably never will be again. Now, instead of buying a title like this used (per usual), I'll just skip it entirely and concentrate on the 2 new games/yr that actually interest me enough to buy new and at full retail.

Not really a lot for me to look forward to from here on, but it is what it is.

Maybe when it hits the onlive bargain bin I'll give it a shot.
Probably not though, the last one got lame pretty fast.

Edited by Reaperman, Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:52 PM.

[HuckleCat]

My problem, well, 2 problems with the whole DLC are:

- First day DLC. Especially when it's pay DLC. It's content that should have been in the game anyway (and sometimes actually is on the disc already) and companies are just using it to get even more than 60 bucks out of a game from you. Some people don't mind waiting, in that case, for example with Fallout 3 and Forza 3, they had GOTY editions that came with all the extra DLC that came out over the year or two after the games release. In that case, it's fine with me. I only find it a crime when it's a ploy to get more than the original 60 bucks with stuff that should have been there anyway (looking at you Mass Effect 2), or will end up being lost forever due to the games popularity waning.

- Store exclusive DLC. This I don't understand at all. Developers complain about how Gamestop is taking their money with used sales, but then turn around and reward Gamestop by giving them exclusive content to bait people to come to their store. They're not punishing Gamestop for the used sales, they're punishing the player for buying games used. If they really wanted to get back at Gamestop, then, for example, Activision would offer Modern Warfare 3, new, directly from them, with the promise that it will arrive at your door the day the game comes out, and with the extra content. Instead of giving people a reason to buy new from Gamestop, give them a reason to buy elsewhere entirely.

Edited by HuckleCat, Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:00 PM.

[Atariboy]

Didn't Mass Effect 2 already do this?

[HuckleCat]

Do what?

ME2 did all of the above. Actually, I'm not sure if there's a GOTY edition that has all the DLC included with it.

[RARusk]

Although I don't not like this practice a simple solution is to wait for the "Game of the Year" edition to come out in about a year or so when they will give you everything, DLC and all.

"Borderlands", "Fallout 3", "Grand Theft Auto IV", and "Red Dead Redemption" are just a few titles with DLC that now have all inclusive GOTY or Complete Edition packages. Not everybody does this I think but I can't imagine that "Batman: Arkham City" wouldn't have a GOTY version at some point.

Good things come to those who wait and all that.....

[Cybergoth]

Gabriel, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM, said:

Obviously you don't think a new copy is worth full MSRP. Is it worth 50% MSRP? 30% MSRP? 10% MSRP? Or do you just feel entitled to it for free?

What you fail to realize is that even when you pay the full price now, your own original day one copy will be crippled in 15 years just as well.

And basically what Mord said: I don't have the time to play every halfway interesting game now. I'm mostly finished playing trough the NES library, I have seen maybe 1/3 of the Genesis library and only just started into SNES collecting. I also have lots of unopened games for all existing Sony/Nintendo consoles, probably a 100 or more, that I intend on playing some day.

Current games I manage to play maybe one per month. Arkham City I actually might buy as well, if like others mentioned, it gets some Complete/GotY/Gold Edition some day.

[Atariboy]

Forza 3 is another with a rerelease out with the DLC bundled in (Except for a final DLC pack released soon afterwards). The only problem with that concept is occasionally, they just toss in codes to redeem for the content rather than put it on disc.

Waiting is what I'll be doing with Skyrim for just such a release. And I'm hoping New Vegas gets a similar GOTY release like Oblivion and Fallout 3 recieved, although there's still no sign of that so far.

HuckleCat, on Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:37 PM, said:

Do what?.

What do you think?

[HuckleCat]

Atariboy, on Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:22 PM, said:

What do you think?

I think you either

A - Were pointing out that Mass Effect 2 had both day one DLC that should have been in the game, and retailer exclusive pe-order DLC. It did, which is why I had added in my post "(Looking at you Mass Effect 2)". If this is where you were coming from, then you basically just repeated my sentiment.

B - Were correcting me that Mass Effect 2 did have a GOTY edition that contained all the DLC later on. If this is the case, I did not know this, and I stand corrected on calling the game out.

Since, like I just pointed out, doing A would just be repeating me, I figured you might mean B, but I wasn't sure, hence the question.