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[Animan]

http://www.gameinfor...iled-at-e3.aspx

Here's what Iwata stated:

"We would like to show the final format of the Wii U at the E3 show next year," he said. "As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch."

Interesting. But, June 2012 is a long ways away.

[Wickeycolumbus]

Hopefully it'll be 100% different

[Animan]

Wickeycolumbus, on Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:56 PM, said:

Hopefully it'll be 100% different

Meh. I like the idea and concept a lot, but what Nintendo showed at E3 this year was poorly executed.

[per]

What they already showed of the Wii U during this years E3 was basically the controller, and some ideas of concept. I mean, the only game they officially anounced for it was "Lego City Stories" (allthough they hinted that a whole lot of other titles/ports are coming it's way).

This years reveal was certanly a rushed disaster, leading to much more confusion than it had to, and you really saw that on Nintendo's stock value the days afterwards.

Edited by per, Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:02 PM.

[Atariboy]

What we saw was traditional Nintendo. They slowly reveal their consoles over a significant amount of time.

For instance, Nintendo first discussed the Wii at the 2004 E3 show, a full two and a half years before the system was launched. And the system was officially unveiled at the 2005 E3 show, a full year and a half before the system launched. And the controller was unveiled at the September 2005 Tokyo Game Show. And launch titles were first shown off at the 2006 E3 show.

Nintendo always strings this stuff out over a significant period of time ever since the Super Nintendo, with the possible exception of the GameCube (That seemed to have a much shorter length of time between unveilings and launch than Nintendo's typical pattern has been, as I recall).

Edited by Atariboy, Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:13 PM.

[godslabrat]

Atariboy, on Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:03 PM, said:

What we saw was traditional Nintendo. They slowly reveal their consoles over a significant amount of time.

For instance, Nintendo first discussed the Wii at the 2004 E3 show, a full two and a half years before the system was launched. And the system was officially unveiled at the 2005 E3 show, a full year and a half before the system launched. And the controller was unveiled at the September 2005 Tokyo Game Show. And launch titles were first shown off at the 2006 E3 show.

There's a very strong possibility that the WiiU will be the only system I own from the next generation of consoles. I really hope Nintendo can pull this off, and make a system worth having as a primary console.

[Reaperman]

Good luck Nintendo. (seriously)
I've been uninterested in your software or hardware since the death of GBA.
Win me or lose me--I'm happy enough not buying your stuff, and your most recent products are confusing and annoying to me. (wiiU & 3ds/dsi/ds/wii respectively)

I still greatly respect your business model, attitudes about ownership (and not being generally evil after getting my money).
Is wiiU an attachment, a new system, or some sad hanger-on to the wii? decide.

I don't currently see a path to me buying your products, but I'm ready to be surprised. Calling it a 'wii' is already strike 1 for me. I see no positives to the system at present. Not one single benefit to me buying one, because none of your new features appeal to me in the slightest. My $10k+/yr video game budget has been going everywhere else, because all of your competition targets me as a customer, but I am ready to be sold a new Nintendo--as long as it's not another wii/ds. Tell me there's a new Nintendo for *me.*

Edited by Reaperman, Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:53 AM.

[Video]

LOL, sadly, me too ^ I mean, all Nintendo's systems have been uber gimicky lately. What the hell? Nintendo used to innovate in the gaming department, but over all have a decent, yet lack luster console/handheld. When did it become inportant to not appeal to the average consumer all of a sudden? Here's an Idea, why not just release some crap knockoff ofr the Iphone and tell everybody to go fuck themselves? hey, works for apple.

Anyhow, yeah, I bought the Wii, and it was crap, plain and simple. Every basic game I've played on there would either be greatly enhanced with a real controller (as in NOT the Wiimote) or would actually be playable with a real controller. With the exception of the pack in game, which was fun for five minutes, I've seen little to no use for the thing. And honestly, it pisses me off that the newest mario game is tacked on to that shit controller, especially since Nintendo not only has a perfectly good classic controller (which I have seen zero support for....unless it's Game.cube compatible or something)But also has the built in GCN ports for those.

As for the DS, the small handfull of games I have that are worth a damn, all have one thing in common (or quiet a few, actually) Most of them make little, or no use of the special extra "features" that are built into the DS in favor of using it's real buttons instead....of course, at that point, you basically got the true successor to the GBA, so why not give the people what they want?

Oh yeah, I forget, I"m not wanted by Nintendo. That's Ok, not like I don't have thousands of games in my collection that actually do appeal to me, and thousands more I could get in the future.

As for the WiiU, All that is is an add on controller for the Wii. Xbox graphics? Well, to that I'd have to say "about damn time (though a few years to late)" This is definitely not going to be something people are going to get their kids, just looking at it, and it's going to be over priced (especially when someone gives it to their kids and they break the $100+ controller) So it really comes down to the games, and console wise, after the N64, and handhelds, after the GBA, I haven't really seen Nintendo deliver in that department.

To bad too, Nintendo is the only company that isn't trying to pull shady practices and fiving and tenning people constantly....but then, if their games were worth a damn, they might be right up there with Sony and Microsoft pulling the same shit.

[Emehr]

I'm happy to see Nintendo try new things with their systems. It's creative. I like that.

[Rex Dart]

Man... damned if ya try something new, damned if ya don't.
For every person I see on this forum complaining about the DS or Wii confusing them by having too many screens or input methods, I see another post whining that they're tired of Nintendo "rehashing" (never seen a definition for that yet) old properties.

[Blues_Bloody]

Video, on Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:36 PM, said:

especially since Nintendo not only has a perfectly good classic controller (which I have seen zero support for....

What in the world are you talking about, there are tons of games that support the classic controller and plenty that can use the GC controller as well. Maybe you would be less pissed off if you actually, ya know, looked up these things.

[DickNixonArisen]

Yeah. I haven't used my nunchucks for a long time... the CC works fine. Actually, the back is a little slippery, I'd prefer if it was squared off, so that's a complaint. I feel that the Wii has plenty of good games, even more than the dreamcast did - but they're buried in a flood of crap. If all that shovelware fell away, the remaining gold would be looking pretty shiny right about now. That's why I trim down there; to make it look bigger.

[Mord]

Blues_Bloody, on Sat Nov 5, 2011 8:18 PM, said:

Video, on Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:36 PM, said:

especially since Nintendo not only has a perfectly good classic controller (which I have seen zero support for....

What in the world are you talking about, there are tons of games that support the classic controller and plenty that can use the GC controller as well. Maybe you would be less pissed off if you actually, ya know, looked up these things.

At the very least one could probably suspect there's a reason why some of the games came packaged with a classic controller, and that is definitely not where classic controller supported games end.

[rockman_x_2002]

My hope is Nintendo will handle the Wii U a lot better this go-around. Even though they showed it off at last year's E3, and I was quite impressed with what the machine could do (demo-wise), as well as the controller concept, there were too many flied in the ointment at that time to get my attention.

Namely, they were almost totally focused on the 3DS at the time, but the focus was "All the good games are coming after this fall." What little I heard about the Wii U was that the tablet controller was likely to be expensive (given), and that at the moment the system could only support one tablet controller. That's a problem to people who like local multiplayer on the couch (and Nintendo devotees will tend to fit more into that category at the moment than, say, Xbox and PS3 fans).

Nintendo has learned perhaps the sharpest lesson with the 3DS in the past few months. I love the system, and the 3D effects are wonderful on it. But if you don't put out good games and keep a steady stream of "must-have" titles flowing? People will quickly lose interest and go back to doing whatever they were before. The problem there was it seems like Nintendo almost completely dropped the ball on the Wii to focus on the 3DS, only to have the 3DS's best titles just now coming out. End result was they blew a hole in their profits this year, and they're paying through the nose for that decision.

Now the take-away here is this: If they're going to continue to support the Wii, post-Zelda, they'd best put out some games people want to purchase or they're going to lose those fans to the Kinect and/or PS Move. If they want the 3DS to succeed, Super Mario 3D Land and Mariokart 7 are great starts, but that flow better keep up, or people will go to the Vita because it'll be the new guy in the neighborhood.

And I would suggest the same for the Wii U. Even if the system is ready early, if they don't have a top-tier day-one launch title ready (i.e., Zelda or Mario), the best thing to do would be to sit on the machine and wait until such a game is ready, and just put out ads for the thing like no tomorrow to hype it up like crazy. I'd shoot for having the system ready for release by late summer 2012, and go ahead and get systems into stores to demo. But hold back on the launch until the weekend before Thanksgiving, just in time for next year's Black Friday sales. And for Black Friday? Special bundles of the system with the top-tier "must-have" game, just for insurance (and only for Black Friday sales).

[svenski]

Looking at it the Wii now we tend to forget what a success it was. Sadly for Nintendo both Microsoft and Sony have brought out there own hardware (Kinect & Move) so the Wii has nothing to make it stand out anymore. Hopefully the new console will be a move forward but I'm wary of those expensive looking controllers and if it is only going to have the same graphics power as an Xbox 360 (which is fine at the moment) then what will happen when Microsoft and Sony release their next generation consoles in 2012/2013 (probably)?

I know the Wii has been different (apart from the recent European cut down version) but Nintendo have really pissed me off with their policy of releasing a product, making it smaller and releasing it again, making it wider and releasing it again, releasing an improved version and ........... then telling you it is a load of old crok and you have to buy their latest offering.

[Animan]

What makes me think that the Wii U has potential has been the very enthusiastic responses from the 3rd parties.

At this point, I'm convinced Peter Moore has a school-girl crush on the thing.

[Pixelboy]

The only thing I'm worried about where the Wii U is concerned is how Nintendo's business philosophy will influence it. During what one could call the "Wii years", Nintendo basically turned its back to the hardcore gamers, catering to the "blue ocean" of casual gamers. This strategy worked very well for Nintendo for a while, but given that this ship has sailed (grandma hasn't touched a Wiimote in quite a while), I have to wonder if Nintendo can ever rekindle the "hardcore flame" that it held during the NES and Super-NES days. Holding onto the "casual gamer" philosophy, together with the "first-party-games-make-third-party-games-look-bad" business practice could cause Nintendo some serious problems during the Wii U's generation.

[atarian63]

• Nintendo always seems to get alot of crap even considering they won this last cycle of consoles by a wide margin. I think they will do just fine. There were lots of supposed "hard core" gamers this time around, didnt make the difference in overall total sales. Nintendo still won and made money while doing it.

[wood_jl]

Quote

"We would like to show the final format of the Wii U at the E3 show next year," he said. "As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch."

After launching as many systems as Nintendo has (this would be every one since the NES), how does the company get amnesia on how to do so, prior to the Nintendo 3DS launch? Otherwise, what bitter lesson is there to be learned? That statement makes it sound like the 3DS is their first system launch and Wii U will be their 2nd. Heh heh.

[DickNixonArisen]

Yeah, and it's not like they change management too often; these are the same folks in both NOJ and NOA that have been here to see how to do it right...

[Atariboy]

rockman_x_2002, on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:11 PM, said:

What little I heard about the Wii U was that the tablet controller was likely to be expensive (given), and that at the moment the system could only support one tablet controller. That's a problem to people who like local multiplayer on the couch (and Nintendo devotees will tend to fit more into that category at the moment than, say, Xbox and PS3 fans).

It's not like local multiplayer was going away. People would simply use a nunchuck and/or Wiimote to fill out the roster for multiplayer games, a far more attractive proposition than having to buy extra WiiU tablet controllers. Especially since the WiiU seems all but guaranteed to pack a set of those in to continue to fully support motion gaming and many WiiU buyers will already have several of the necessary controllers thanks to having owned a Wii.

Edited by Atariboy, Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:01 AM.

[eggomania]

I think I would prefer the Wii U if it was a pure handheld console that had the graphic capability of a home console. I know that Wii U is designed to be played either way but I would assume that you would still need to have it set up to your TV. Also, can it be taken outside the home like a handheld? I'm curious is to what this system will really be like whenever it comes out.

I also would like to see a different name for it. I feel pretty confident that it will be called something else when it does come out.

[Atariboy]

It's not a handheld game system. It has a tablet controller that has a touch screen that is able display a image streamed to it from the console. So you have to remain close to the game console for it recieve the signal.

If you want a handheld, you should buy a handheld. I'm sure the 3DS or the upcoming Playstation Vita will suit your needs just fine.

[Video]

Rex Dart, on Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:30 PM, said:

Man... damned if ya try something new, damned if ya don't.
For every person I see on this forum complaining about the DS or Wii confusing them by having too many screens or input methods, I see another post whining that they're tired of Nintendo "rehashing" (never seen a definition for that yet) old properties.

You mean you have honestly never seen all the rereleases Nintendo regularly does? Like how many times exactly has super mario bros been rereleased anyways? I can think of Super Nintendo (all stars), Gameboy color, GBA, DSi/3DS (through the online store, I lumped those together cause I'm not sure if they are the same or different online stores) and most recently Wii Super Mario all stars (though I can't recall the real name at the moment) I'm sure someone can come back wi8th a few I've missed over the years. With the exception of the "all star" variants, they are all the same as the NES game, as far as Im aware.

Though when people say "rehash" I think they mean when Nintendo rereleases the game with minor updates, like 007 for Wii, Zelda or Star fox for 3DS...games like that. Or maybe they mean like "Super Mario Kart 17" or something (though to be fair, they do have different tracks from game to game, so I would count them as new games, or at the very least, expansions)

Though to be honest, I like the old games, and while I would prefer a new game (like New Super Mario Bros, DS and Wii versions) I'm OK with getting the old games again, cause I still actually play a lot of them. It's jjust that, Nintendo shouldn't be to surprised taht it won't sell for the price Nintendo wants it to sell for....after all, I already got how many copies?

Blues_Bloody, on Sat Nov 5, 2011 8:18 PM, said:

Video, on Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:36 PM, said:

especially since Nintendo not only has a perfectly good classic controller (which I have seen zero support for....

What in the world are you talking about, there are tons of games that support the classic controller and plenty that can use the GC controller as well. Maybe you would be less pissed off if you actually, ya know, looked up these things.

I thought you were just jerking my chain or something....Just the wrong games I guess. Of the two dozen games I have, Only one is on that list....and funny enough, by the time I got around to it, I had long since given up on the Wii as a viable platform, and said game still sits unopened.

Edited by Video, Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:07 PM.

[Atariboy]

Video, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM, said:

Though when people say "rehash" I think they mean when Nintendo rereleases the game with minor updates, like 007 for Wii

That was a completely original game. It wasn't a remake of the N64 game.