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[DracIsBack]

Since Pac Man Red brought it up, I've always wondered what Double Dragon would look like, with the right care given to it on the 7800?

I don't 'hate' Double Dragon on the 7800 in that I actually find it entertaining. But if ever there was a C+ effort on the 7800, this is it to me. Moves are moving. The character design is (IMO) terrible. Sections of levels disappear. No effort is made to animate certain parts. The AI is wonkey. And the Abobos walking right out of Title Match Pro Wrestling suggest not a lot of time or budget was allocated to the game.

Given the availability of sprite sources, new docs and tools ... and the XM, wondering if any improvements could be done to make Double Dragon look and act better than it does today.

[GroovyBee]

I think the AI would need looking at first. You can pretty much beat all the opponents with the one attack method from what I remember . For more information have a look in one of the 7800 high score contest threads where it was played.

Personally, I'd love to see something like Way of The Exploding fist on the 7800.

[DracIsBack]

Yeah - I used to be able to corner all the guys and reverse jump kick them to death because they all moved in the same pattern.

[thursday83]

Yeah, what Drac said. Reverse Jump Kick for everyone, and you just use the other moves, like the forward jump kick (from a longer distance) just for fun, to switch it up a bit. Where is the knee lift to the face, and the hip toss throw, and the barrel throw, etc......that was the most disappointing part to me. Punching and kicking are virtually useless, although the head butt seems to work, weirdly enough.....

That said, a total overhaul for the XM would be out of this world. As well as a wrestling game that actually had a goal, and moves, and guys that stay down so you can perform turnbuckle moves, etc.....i.e. a wrestling game that was actually playable/fun. That's my dream for the 7800.

[PAC-MAN-RED]

I should have known this would happen.

What's cool about if Double Dragon were to have the XM Upgrade, is that the Arcade version used the same Yamaha sound chip as the 7800 XM. This was most likely the chip used for the music that all of us Double Dragon fans have still stuck playing in our heads from '87.

Illya

[GroovyBee]

PAC-MAN-RED, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:49 PM, said:

What's cool about if Double Dragon were to have the XM Upgrade, is that the Arcade version used the same Yamaha sound chip as the 7800 XM. This was most likely the chip used for the music that all of us Double Dragon fans have still stuck playing in our heads from '87.

I'll have to see if I can find a version of that and then stick it in my XM's YM2151 player.

[Bakasama]

I move I used to beat the game was just the elbow.

[TrekMD]

It would definitely be cool to see this game "upgraded" to take advantage of the XM hardware. I do enjoy the game but it can use improvement.

[nonner242]

Any fighter would be cool to me.....7800 is lacking them in the worst way.

[PAC-MAN-RED]

THERE! You've forced my hand! Now you can take it from here... I'm going back to Wonder Boy.

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Illya

[DracIsBack]

Wowowowowowowow! Now *THAT* is what I wish they did! :-)

[TrekMD]

That looks awesome!

[ntavio]

nonner242, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:07 PM, said:

Any fighter would be cool to me.....7800 is lacking them in the worst way.

Finishing Pit Fighter would be cool IMHO.

[8th lutz]

ntavio, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:57 AM, said:

nonner242, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:07 PM, said:

Any fighter would be cool to me.....7800 is lacking them in the worst way.

Finishing Pit Fighter would be cool IMHO.

Not in this case. I grew up liking the arcade and Genesis version of Pit Fighter as a teenager in the 1990's, but the 7800 version of Pit Fighter not being completed is blessing. 7800 version was going to be the worst version of Pit Fighter out there. Some of the graphics of that game was taken out of Double Dragon and Title Match Pro Wrestling. A stock 7800 was not made for having large digitized characters.

Pit Fighter would be better off starting from scratch as an Atari 7800 XM game. It is still would be a bad port tough.

[PAC-MAN-RED]

Anyone else having a little DeJa Vu about the Double Dragon topic:

Games that would be most improved by XM Music hacks

Just happened to be googling along and found it.

Illya

[8th lutz]

PAC-MAN-RED, on Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:08 PM, said:

Anyone else having a little DeJa Vu about the Double Dragon topic:

Games that would be most improved by XM Music hacks

Just happened to be googling along and found it.

Illya

Not really. I posted in that other topic, but that topic was not only about Double Dragon a first place. You linked to a post, not all the posts in that thread. The nature of that thread was mention games that would be improved the most by music only.

Double Dragon needed more than Music change like I mentioned in that thread and that is why I don't consider this thread deja vu as a result.

[pimpmaul69]

Bakasama, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:37 PM, said:

I move I used to beat the game was just the elbow.

agreed. i beat the whole game on xbox live arcade without dying once using the old elbow 99% of the time

[PAC-MAN-RED]

Resizing and color matching the the original Arcade Titlescreen to what the 7800 would look like wasn't too bad really. The result... well... see for yourself.

Illya

[GroovyBee]

It would make a good 160C screen (on the right). It might also be possible to display it as a G2F image too (which would double the vertical resolution). I'll have to feed the image into my tools when I get some free time.

[GroovyBee]

Something like this would be possible with a G2F version :-



Obviously it would need quite a bit of manual touching up (its also at PAL resolution).

[Metal Ghost]

Can you imagine putting a cartridge into the 7800 back in '88 and being greeted with that title screen? Would have loved that.

[Lynxpro]

PAC-MAN-RED, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:49 PM, said:

I should have known this would happen.
What's cool about if Double Dragon were to have the XM Upgrade, is that the Arcade version used the same Yamaha sound chip as the 7800 XM. This was most likely the chip used for the music that all of us Double Dragon fans have still stuck playing in our heads from '87.
Illya

Couldn't you then just grab the music from the ST version then? Of course, if the XM and the arcade version have the same Yamaha sound chip then obviously that would be the version to grab. And was there an XE version of the game? If so, that would be a place to grab Pokey audio from.

Speaking of the ST version, I really enjoyed it except the fact that it only supported 1 fire button. I pretty much destroyed my Space Age joystick on that game. If the ST/e ROM could be modded to use the Jaguar controllers, then that would be pretty awesome.

[Rex Dart]

DracIsBack, on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:52 AM, said:

Double Dragon XM

Do it!