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[N64rick]

Hi new here ! I bought a job lot of games consoles etc off eBay , I knew there was a jag console with the cd console on top .
After picking this all up it turns out there were two jag consoles !
It seems I have two jag dev consoles and a dev cd console !
I'll put some pics up later , I have pics on the retro collect forum , my username is the same as on here .
Take a look !
Both consoles have a extra switch at the back , one has a red on light the other has a bright orange on light !
When I plug the console with the cd console on top , it comes up with a green screen that says ' jaguar development system 1994 atari Corp 2 nov 94 ' this console has wires coming out of it , and also the cd console also has !
The other console plays games ok , I have no clue what to do with them , they had been in storage for 5 or more years ! How the hell did these dev systems end up in the uk ??
Also there were dev nintendo games plus nintendo paper work !
Any help guys ?

[sh3-rg]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM, said:

Hi new here ! I bought a job lot of games consoles etc off eBay , I knew there was a jag console with the cd console on top .
After picking this all up it turns out there were two jag consoles !
It seems I have two jag dev consoles and a dev cd console !
I'll put some pics up later , I have pics on the retro collect forum , my username is the same as on here .
Take a look !
Both consoles have a extra switch at the back , one has a red on light the other has a bright orange on light !
When I plug the console with the cd console on top , it comes up with a green screen that says ' jaguar development system 1994 atari Corp 2 nov 94 ' this console has wires coming out of it , and also the cd console also has !
The other console plays games ok , I have no clue what to do with them , they had been in storage for 5 or more years ! How the hell did these dev systems end up in the uk ??
Also there were dev nintendo games plus nintendo paper work !
Any help guys ?

Seems like you have a stub jaguar (basically a stock Jaguar with a different bios & the cable dangling as you mentioned. The jag CD having wires coming out of it probably means it's a similar kind of dev spec piece. But what you should go look for now is what looks like a regular jaguar cart with a whacking great board sticking out of the top - this is the real dev part - an Alpine board.

Your stub jag will play regular games I think, you just have to press or hold a button on the jag pad when you boot iirc. I'm sure someone will jump in & point out if I'm wrong

Plenty of UK dev studios had the same kit you have (for instance I got Bullfrog's old hardware) and you can also pick up stuff like a stub Jag from Best Electronics in the states (something else I did many years ago). My stub jag only ever got used when I whipped out the bios & put a BJL rom in there instead, so it could be used for simple homebrew tasks. Otherwise I can't think they're much use without the Alpine unless you want to play some Jaguar games

Not sure what your extra switches might be, possibly 50/60Hz switches or just something the dev guys needed at the time, that would be interesting to know.

The Nintendo stuff sounds interesting. I used to collect dev stuff quite seriously, managed to snag lots of Nintendo hardware & paperwork myself. Lots of collectors will be interested in that. Your first visit should be to the Assembler forums if you're after trading the stuff away or just finding out more infoz.

Anyway, nice find! Shows there's still stuff to be had off eBay in these big lots

[Gaztee]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM, said:

Hi new here ! I bought a job lot of games consoles etc off eBay , I knew there was a jag console with the cd console on top .
After picking this all up it turns out there were two jag consoles !
It seems I have two jag dev consoles and a dev cd console !
I'll put some pics up later , I have pics on the retro collect forum , my username is the same as on here .
Take a look !
Both consoles have a extra switch at the back , one has a red on light the other has a bright orange on light !
When I plug the console with the cd console on top , it comes up with a green screen that says ' jaguar development system 1994 atari Corp 2 nov 94 ' this console has wires coming out of it , and also the cd console also has !
The other console plays games ok , I have no clue what to do with them , they had been in storage for 5 or more years ! How the hell did these dev systems end up in the uk ??
Also there were dev nintendo games plus nintendo paper work !
Any help guys ?

How did the dev stuff get here, two words - Nick Harlow!
The red/green light difference is NTSC/PAL versions .
Whereabouts in the UK are you?? I will be at the retro computer museum show this Saturday. Its in Snibston, Leicester. There are a good collection of guys there who will be able to help you with various questions! I can take the dev stuff off you if you like, my car is just over there...
You've made it to the right place anyway! Plenty of folk around here will be willing to help with whatever questions you have. If you can make it saturday, I'll see you there!

[N64rick]

Im in Worcestershire not far from where that show is ! Only prob is I'm in London over the weeken ! ive been after a jag cd for ages , could I use this dev ones as normal ? If not I will let it go with console .

[Gaztee]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM, said:

Im in Worcestershire not far from where that show is ! Only prob is I'm in London over the weeken ! ive been after a jag cd for ages , could I use this dev ones as normal ? If not I will let it go with console .

Well you're just down the road from me (rubbing grubby mitts atm )

SH-3 is right about holding down the B button on start up to play stock games. I'm not sure about the CD bit as I sold my kit a long time ago. But as we appear to be relatively close, I can offer a cuppa tea & some jag CD's to help you try it out?? Shame you're elsewhere this weekend!

[N64rick]

Yeh that sounds good mate ! Im in droitwich. , you ? Yeh weekend im busy, me and missis are off to London , but I work nights so I'm free during the day if your not at work , or next weekend .

[Gaztee]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM, said:

Yeh that sounds good mate ! Im in droitwich. , you ? Yeh weekend im busy, me and missis are off to London , but I work nights so I'm free during the day if your not at work , or next weekend .

I also have a run of night shifts up coming! I'm in selly oak area, so nice & close! We'll have to sort something out

[N64rick]

Yeh close mate ! Lol my nan lives in northfield ! Let me know when your available !?
I would love to able to use the cd console .

Edited by N64rick, Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM.

[N64rick]

Here the link to the pics -
http://www.retrocoll....php?f=3&t=1569

[sh3-rg]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM, said:

Here the link to the pics -
http://www.retrocoll....php?f=3&t=1569

Magicom & flash carts, too - nice finds I picked up a lot of about 30 of those GB flash carts and tons of other dev stuff from 3DO's last employee in the UK when he wanted shut of it all, was a 100 mile round trip to pick up but well worth it! Without the Alpine the jaggy stuff isn't really so great, but at least you can get some use out of it if that's what you're after. If not you should try trading it away with gaztee, he's probably got one or two things you'd rather have in return I bet

[N64rick]

Just want a working cd console really and some games .
There's more pics on page two of that link ,showing the jags better .

[sh3-rg]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:21 PM, said:

Just want a working cd console really and some games .
There's more pics on page two of that link ,showing the jags better .

Ah those switches, I think they're just present on US machines, maybe something to do with RF so not a dev thing (oh and US machines have red LED, PAL have green). I'm sure you could come to some arrangement with gaz if he's interested in a trade, he's the kind of guy who has plenty of jag games hanging around, dunno if they are any use to him though.

[orpheuswaking]

Yeah that is a channel 2/3 switch to set between the two to get a better picture on your tv over RF

[N64rick]

Ah ok my pal jag does not have that ,thanks
Is there a difference between pal and NTSC jag consoles besides that switch ?

[sh3-rg]

N64rick, on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:50 PM, said:

Is there a difference between pal and NTSC jag consoles besides that switch ?

Not really. The Jag is an easy system to mod for PAL/NTSC, they're the same machine. There's no region lockout stuff, iirc only 1 or 2 incompatibilities with CD software.

[Atari_Owl]

That switch
and the RF out

thats about it

[N64rick]

Just trying the dev console and cd , I press down the b button to use it as a normal jag , it does the usual jag start up , finishes and just does to a black screen , I have a normal cd in the cd console , but it's not spinning ! Any ideas ?

[sh3-rg]

Try linko's guide: http://www.linkovitc...ck-platter.html

[rush6432]

N64rick, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:46 AM, said:

Just trying the dev console and cd , I press down the b button to use it as a normal jag , it does the usual jag start up , finishes and just does to a black screen , I have a normal cd in the cd console , but it's not spinning ! Any ideas ?

Holding down the b button with with a cartridge in the jaguar by itself will boot the cart.

Holding down C button with the jaguar cd hooked up on top of the dev jag will jump to the jag cd and boot encrypted or un-encrypted CDs, then if a cartridge is inserted into the jag cd (prior to boot) it will boot that instead

Holding down A i think does something with the flash cartridge or puts the debugger for the alpine in low ram or something to that effect.

This is only from my personal experience with a stub dev jag and a production (non dev) jag cd unit.


I think linkovitch's guide should help though. the cd transport or laser unit could be bad... however im not sure how common that really is. if it is i think someone posted a part number to a phillips cd transport replacement for cheap somewhere a while back.

Edited by rush6432, Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM.

[N64rick]

Cheers for that , I'll give it a go , cheers

[Gaztee]

Well we tried this today & I've no idea why but the Jag doesn't seem to register the CD unit at all. Tried with UK/US/Dev units & nothing. Works fine with a cart in the slot. Its almost like it isn't there! Would having it hooked to an alpine make any difference?

[rush6432]

Dont think with an alpine it would make much difference. The unit should boot up if it has power and you hold down C on the controller prior to booting up the console. worked for me with a stub jag and oem jag cd unit. with or without power it should still dump to the jag cd splash screen. If not im guessing its fried electronically. might check the capacitors on the boards to make sure they havnt exploded or leaked and corroded any traces possibly. I dont think its common with the jag cd units but i have seen this with MANY other early 90s electronics today when opened up. Maybe someone else can chime in.

Edited by rush6432, Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:04 PM.

[N64rick]

I hope it's not fried ! gutted if it is . I might open it up :/
Cheers

[N64rick]

I now have the cd boot screen ! but there's a pic of the cd console with a arrow pointing to the power supply , I have tried swapping my power supplies around , but I still get the same thing . Any ideas ? Cheers

[rush6432]

Glad to hear you got it to boot! Reguardless if its reading discs or not and has a power supply or not it should boot to the splash screen always unless its totally toasted.

Make sure to use the jaguar or sega genesis model 1 ac adaptor and you should be ok. i think if any others are used (over 9v dc? ) that it can toast the unit. If still showing the arrow check out maybe the connection on the unit itself. might be something messed up there or may have to open the unit up and have a quick look.

Edited by rush6432, Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:46 AM.