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[Blues76]

My LCD TV went bad after a few years. I'm sure that most TV will work ok, but before buying a new one, I wanted to ask your opinion.

What size and type are you using (LCD) . Do you recommend anything?

I would think that any of them should work...

thanks,
Francisco

[w1k]

i using this:





ATARI - standard tv cable ( ), AMIGA - RGB ( )

http://www.dealextre...47-870mhz-55245

[Blues76]

nice but too small. I think 19 or 20 inches is better. or at least 14.

[Philsan]

Unfortunately a single topic that answers your question doesn't exist.
http://www.atariage....age__hl__lcd tv
http://www.atariage....age__hl__lcd tv

[Blues76]

Philsan, on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:03 PM, said:

Unfortunately a single topic that answers your question doesn't exist.
http://www.atariage....e__hl__lcd%20tv
http://www.atariage....e__hl__lcd%20tv

but topics do exist. I should had done a better search. Thank you

Not easy to pick one... I guess most of them will do, but none will be perfect!

[Vandal968]

Modern LCD screens vary wildly in how they interpret a composite signal. I've had (3) Vizio flat panels, a 50" plasma that looked like crap on composite, a 47" LCD that looks phenomenal, and a 32" LCD that looks like crap x3. I would bring a composite source to test with at the store if possible. One of those joysticks with the built-in games would probably be ideal for testing.

cheers,
c

Edited by Vandal968, Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:03 PM.

[venom4728a]

I have a 20 Inch Sharp LCD that has a pretty good picture, considering I am using a Stock 130XE with a SVIDEO Cable I got off of Ebay. Its a 4:3 picture ratio too, so the Atari fills up most of the screen and is not stretched in a weird way. The Model I have is Sharp LC-20AV6U. There are some vertical lines, but its its not too bad. I have not tried this with my 800xl, I will try that in the next day or so and see if the 800xl picture is any better.

Robert.

[Blues76]

Given this thread : http://www.atariage....ataris-and-pcs/

it has been helpful but I was wondering if you can list your model number, if anyone is using a new one that I can find at amazon for example. I will search also in ebay.
The other alternative is that I get a crt tv (old tv) in ebay, and which one do you recommend?

I will keep looking.... I know someone suggested to take a joystick with games to the store, butI don't have one and the smallest thing is the flash back 3... which looks horrible in a big plasma that I have. Also, is not that easy to go with that to the store and start pluging in... have you done that in best buy, anyone?

Maybe I should just get an old tv...

for new lcd, What are the specs that one here in the US must look at...

also, I see lots of mention of 4:3 , but any new tv, you can change the format to be 4:3 ... is that a problem? does it look different that a real 4:3?

thanks!

[Blues76]

What do you guys think about this ones:
LG:
http://www.amazon.co...23189480&sr=1-1

Toshiba:
http://www.amazon.co...23189395&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.co...23189431&sr=1-1

I only needed for my ataris.

Here is a bigger list:

http://www.amazon.co...&qid=1323189649

[Vandal968]

Blues76,
you seem to have not heard what was already said. LCD's vary greatly in how they look on a composite signal, there is no spec to describe this. You said yourself that your plasma looks like crap with your Atari, where on the specification sheet of your plasma does it state this? No where. As I see it, you have three choices.

1. Buy a CRT, since they all look about the same with an Atari.
2. Buy an exact model of flat panel that you or someone you trust has tested personally.
3. Buy a flat panel that you haven't checked-out and take your chances.

The Vizio 47" 240Hz 3D LCD currently sold at Costco for about $900 rocks it on composite. Two other Vizio models mentioned above look like crap on Atari. Since the results are dependent on the specific model rather than manufacturer, the list that you're posting is not going to answer this question for you. It's still a crap-shoot unless someone here owns the exact model and there are probably >1000 models of tv on the market at any given time. If you don't want to take a FB2 to the store, then splurge and spend $5 at Walmart for one of those retro game joysticks that's battery powered, use that to test.

cheers,
c

[Jetboot Jack]

I'm using an LG47LW650T - and I have to say that both RF for 7800/2600 and composite for XL/XE pictures are fantastic - very stable, vert clear, whilst not VGA quality the PQ is truly excellent - better than my previous 32" SONY LCD, or Bravia CRT...

sTeVE

[Larry]

First, I would want to make sure that what I buy is going to even work with an Atari. I've seen (and even had) LCD's that will not show any display with an Atari. That probably means buy it locally so that you can either check it in the store or return it if it won't work. Even if someone here tells you that the model "XYZ" works really great, the mfg. can make engineering changes, and "XYZz" now no longer looks so hot.

Second, I'd want to make sure that the model I buy has both composite and S-Video inputs. Some of the models I've seen leave out the S-video.

It's a matter of personal choice, but I wouldn't want a CRT -- especially an OLD one. The old Commodore and Amiga monitors are long past their engineered life expectancies. I have no doubt that you can find a suitable LCD that will make a good display for your Atari's.

-Larry

[littleman jack]

I'm using a 23'' Samsung LCD and it looks great with my 400 and 800. I'll try to post the model number tomorrow.

[sloopy]

I use one of these
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 280766795258

for my atari, i have 2 of them, another one that is Composite/S-Vid only and a 13" one that is Composite/S-Vid only, all four do NTSC/NTSC-443/PAL/SECAM, and have excellent pictures on composite and S-Vid... this is the way to go if your going to stay with CRT...

sloopy.

[Blues76]

Thanks guys !

[qix_maniac]

sloopy, on Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:42 AM, said:

I use one of these
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 280766795258

good choice! I guess if you get mad and can't pass a level in miner2049er or donkey kong the TV will be too heavy to throw!

j/k I used a 24 inch Toshiba flat screen...

[Bryan]

One thing about professional CRT monitors.. many of them use SMPTE-C phosphor tubes for accuracy and they will have a pale appearance compared to consumer-level monitors and TVs.

[w1k]

guys, who do you mean about this:

http://vltava2011.cz...pc--svideo.html

LCD color monitor 14" 1410LT AV / PC / S-VIDEO

[BillC]

I recently purchased a Sapphire Mini-Projector 101 which uses LCoS technology, the resolution is 640x480 and it comes with cables for composite, VGA, I-Phone and Nokia phones, but not for S-video. The specifications show the projection size range to be 7"~65" and the projection size @ 1M to be 32.7". As with all projectors it will not work very well in a bright room

Attached is an image taken of a 34" projection(I trimmed off the border in the image which reduces it to 28"), the actual projection quality is better than what the image shows. The projection is clear with no lines, the source was composite out from a stock 130XE and the projection surface a beige wall. The only problem is the supplied tripod, it is too small/light to hold the projector stable, I had to put something under the back of the projector to keep it from tipping up.

The price was CDN$200, with taxes/fees I paid CDN$239.43.

Bill

The supplied tripod functions fine if rotated so that one leg is at the back.

Edited by BillC, Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:44 PM.

[Zedex]

It'll work, but it's no substitute for the real thing. I never liked when people attached modern peripherals like flash drives to their old computers. The whole point of retro computing is to experience computing the way it was in the past. I used an LCD TV for my Commodore 64C to test it, because I could only find an AV cord. My retro gaming tv doesn't have AV, so it'll have to do until I can find me an RF cable that'll look good.

[BillC]

Zedex, on Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:30 PM, said:

It'll work, but it's no substitute for the real thing. I never liked when people attached modern peripherals like flash drives to their old computers. The whole point of retro computing is to experience computing the way it was in the past. I used an LCD TV for my Commodore 64C to test it, because I could only find an AV cord. My retro gaming tv doesn't have AV, so it'll have to do until I can find me an RF cable that'll look good.

You can use whatever you like, I also have 1702/1080/1084 monitors plus a CRT TV with s-video and composite inputs. Your retro gaming tv is probably 15+ years old and will eventually fail. I doubt CRT TVs are even still manufactured, I haven't seen any in the stores for a few years.

I was just letting those who might want something compact(smaller than many TV remote controls), or larger screen size that this mini projector works well with the Atari composite output.

I only tested with NTSC, but since it came with a 2-pin europlug power supply(with adapters to cover most of the globe) I believe that it will work with PAL systems as well.

Bill

[Farb]

I just picked up an Ario FE2270 for $170 at my local Microcenter. The picture quality is decent when using the 130XE over composite.

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Edited by Farb, Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:35 PM.

[wood_jl]

It's impossible to find 4:3 LCD (except for that tiny one W1K linked to). One of the things that bugs me the most about using the emulators (now that EVERY computer is 'widescreen') is the stretched image when "going fullscreen." Therefore, if I'm going to the trouble to use a real machine, I certainly don't want 'widescreen.'

Back when the LCD TV market was brand new, I remember seeing 4:3 LCD TVs at stores, but they (like all LCD TVs) were frightfully expensive in those days. Now they'd be cheap, but nobody but retro-geeks (a small market) would be interested. We need a clearing house of old 4:3 LCDs.

[flashjazzcat]

There are lots and lots of (pre-owned) 4:3 LCDs on eBay, etc, but bear in mind that the decoders in the modern (widescreen) sets often produce a crisper picture, and that oftentimes the aspect can be set to 4:3. This just means you end up with vertical black bars either side of the screen.

Edited by flashjazzcat, Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:09 AM.

[w1k]

i have s-video:



can i use this reduction to connect atari to superb 24 LCD?

http://www.dealextre...ca-f-cable-9813