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[metzger130]

I am new(er) to collecting systems and I am missing a jaguar right now. I have a 2600, 5200 and 7800 so this is the last of the Atari's I need, and I was wondering what a good price is for one. Obviously I would want at least a controller and possibly a game or 2, but what should I look for pricewise? I currently am not looking for the CD unit as those are very pricey and work..... well we all know about them. So just wondering what everyone has paid for them and if ebay would be a good place or if you would suggest somewhere else to get it. A local place wants 90 for a jaguar but it has no games with it and I think 1 controller. I think that's a little high, but maybe not.

Thanks for the info all

[ls650]

The going rate on eBay seems to be about $50 for a working console with a power supply, a controller or two, a couple of common carts, and a crummy RF connector.

[kevincal]

$50-100

[Sauron]

You'll find out soon enough that there's no such thing as a "reasonable" price for the Jaguar. The system and most of the games are way overpriced.

[rush6432]

Sauron, on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:30 AM, said:

You'll find out soon enough that there's no such thing as a "reasonable" price for the Jaguar. The system and most of the games are way overpriced.

Agree with that. most want 90+ for a console with controller and hookups (rf and not composite) and atleast 20+ per game with a box

[kevincal]

The problem is many people are willing to pay $100 for a jag set on ebay, so as a seller you are kinda stupid to not try to get 100 ...

Basically low start price basic jag system auctions tend to end around 50-75 while buy it now non auctions sell for 75-100. something like that.

Edited by kevincal, Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM.

[Nuclear Pacman]

The problem with Jag pricing is there's too many Buy It Now only listings, and not enough actual auctions. When it's an auction the price is pretty reasonable, but those are getting more rare. I guess when every listing for a Jag is a BiN, somebody is bound to buy it overpriced, when that's all that is available. Doesn't mean that is the market price, and it doesn't make it reasonable either.

I think perhaps the market is artificially squeezed because of this. We certainly don't get an everflowing market value set by the buyers like it used to be. I think there's still plenty of Jags out there to be had, just not plenty of Jags on Auction. Now it's like, here's my Jag for BiN $150 because I say it's worth that.

[save2600]

Agree with everyone's observation here, but will add that the JagCD has got to be the most unreasonably priced peripheral ever in the history of gaming. Only a handful of games were released and fewer yet are even worth playing.

[Austin]

save2600, on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM, said:

Agree with everyone's observation here, but will add that the JagCD has got to be the most unreasonably priced peripheral ever in the history of gaming. Only a handful of games were released and fewer yet are even worth playing.

Yeah, with the Jag CD you are basically paying for homebrew capabilities and not much more. Sorry, a handful of 'exclusives' and a few FMV games you can find on half a dozen other platforms doesn't make it worth it.

[Jag_Slave]

As a buyer I have no choice but to choose one for around 100. Unless I wait around for months and nab one for 50-70. I never think its worth 100+, but Im stuck with what the guys selling them think its worth.

[Austin]

Just a tip to the OP: purchase one through an AtariAge member (post a thread in the Marketplace/Wanted section). You will get a far better deal.

[kevincal]

personally i dont think anyone should complain bout high prices of anything. i always find good deals, so i never complain about high prices cus i never pay high prices just be patient on ebay or whatever and you will find a good deal. but for a lot people they would rather not hassle and just spend a little more on a buy it now. and my point of view as a seller is, if im going to spend my time selling stuff, im going to make the most of my time and try to make as much money as possible. ultimately its up to the buyer as sellers do not force any buyer to buy anything for any price.

and if you think jag prices are high you must not know much about the rarer systems and games out there... there are much crappier systems than the jag / jag cd with less games that sell for a lot more. collectibility prices has little to do with how good something actually is. there are more and more collectors these days with everyone on the net and ebay.

lets not forget one of the biggest selling points for the jag cd is not even games, but one of the best visualizers in the world still today, vlm 1 jag cd is basically one of the coolest cd players ever. and it does have several great games like battlemorph iron soldier 2 tons of homebrews painter gorf etc superfly stuff like that

Edited by kevincal, Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:26 AM.

[wood_jl]

save2600, on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM, said:

Agree with everyone's observation here, but will add that the JagCD has got to be the most unreasonably priced peripheral ever in the history of gaming. Only a handful of games were released and fewer yet are even worth playing.

Not only are they unreasonably overpriced, but they are notoriously unreliable, and MANY of the "untested" ones you see listed most likely don't work. It's a shoddy unit, for sure.

[save2600]

VLM is neat, but waaaaaaay, way, way overrated and certainly shouldn't be considered one of the bigger selling points. Pretty sad if it is. Best visualizers "in the world" are what's built into iTunes - bar none. Besides, who sits and listens to CD's through a game machine? Especially on a delicate system such as the JagCD? On second thought, don't answer that... probably the same people that think it's cool watching horribly compressed public domain mpeg movies on their JagCD that should be free, but pay $20 for the "pleasure" of needlessly burning up their laser diodes.

[metzger130]

Well, I am not necessarily looking for a ton of games. I watched AVGN and wanted to get a Jag for Tempest and Attack of the Mutant Penguins, other then that I know NOTHING about the other games. I just thought attack looked like a fun game and funny too the way he describes it and Tempest, well, I think MOST people know how great of a game that is. I have an emulator on this computer and play it on it, but there is nothing like playing it on real hardware, just have to get the hardware.

[Nuclear Pacman]

save2600, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:48 PM, said:

VLM is neat, but waaaaaaay, way, way overrated and certainly shouldn't be considered one of the bigger selling points. Pretty sad if it is. Best visualizers "in the world" are what's built into iTunes - bar none. Besides, who sits and listens to CD's through a game machine? Especially on a delicate system such as the JagCD? On second thought, don't answer that... probably the same people that think it's cool watching horribly compressed public domain mpeg movies on their JagCD that should be free, but pay $20 for the "pleasure" of needlessly burning up their laser diodes.

I used to use the VLM until I got my 360 with a big enough HDD that I was able to burn all my music to. Now I use my 360 as a jukebox, but the VLM was top notch for a long time as a visualizer. It still looks cool I think, but yeah I no longer put the wear on my JadCD unit by playing music. It used to be fun though, many years ago, and back then I don't think it was overrated.

[Sauron]

save2600, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:48 PM, said:

VLM is neat, but waaaaaaay, way, way overrated and certainly shouldn't be considered one of the bigger selling points. Pretty sad if it is. Best visualizers "in the world" are what's built into iTunes - bar none. Besides, who sits and listens to CD's through a game machine? Especially on a delicate system such as the JagCD? On second thought, don't answer that... probably the same people that think it's cool watching horribly compressed public domain mpeg movies on their JagCD that should be free, but pay $20 for the "pleasure" of needlessly burning up their laser diodes.

I gotta disagree here, but that just might be the inner Jag fanboy in me coming out. But the VLM was indeed an awesome visualizer for the time period it came out, and was worlds better than the one that came on one of the 3DO consoles.

Also, nothing wrong with watching horribly compressed public domain movies on a Jaguar, although I've done so and haven't had to pay more than the cost of a few CD-Rs for it.

[save2600]

Nuclear Pacman, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 4:27 PM, said:

It used to be fun though, many years ago, and back then I don't think it was overrated.

Totally agree! It's just funny hearing people *today* talk about how the VLM is worth the price of admission. It's in that context that I think it's over-hyped. Guess it helps JagCD owners rationalize their purchase and to that end, to each their own.

@Sauron, great... after you've worn out the poor laser in your machine watching videos and playing music through it, can you please list it on eBay as "untested" at $200 so I may buy it?

(not saying you'd ever do that, but I bet others have!)

Edited by save2600, Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:29 PM.

[Sauron]

save2600, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:21 PM, said:

Totally agree! It's just funny hearing people *today* talk about how the VLM is worth the price of admission. It's in that context that I think it's over-hyped. Guess it helps JagCD owners rationalize their purchase and to that end, to each their own.

@Sauron, great... after you've worn out the poor laser in your machine watching videos and playing music through it, can you please list it on eBay as "untested" at $200 so I may buy it?

(not saying you'd ever do that, but I bet others have!)

To be honest, it's been a loooong time since I'd heard anyone tout the VLM as a "must have" feature, although I'd say it was certainly true up to at least 10 years ago.

And I don't watch movies on it often, it's only been a couple of times when someone took the time to convert a movie to the JagCD. And my JagCD unit won't be going up for sale anytime soon.

[kevincal]

wood_jl, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:02 AM, said:

save2600, on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM, said:

Agree with everyone's observation here, but will add that the JagCD has got to be the most unreasonably priced peripheral ever in the history of gaming. Only a handful of games were released and fewer yet are even worth playing.

Not only are they unreasonably overpriced, but they are notoriously unreliable, and MANY of the "untested" ones you see listed most likely don't work. It's a shoddy unit, for sure.

Jag CD systems being "notoriously unreliable" was a huge rumor started by James video game nerd cus he bought 2 Jag CDs and supposedly neither worked. James treats his gaming stuff like SHIT if you hadnt noticed, he handles his stuff like trash. Game systems are supposed to be handled delicately... Anyway, probably the most common thing to happen to Jaguar CD's with 1st time Jag CD owners are

1) the Jag cd is not pushed down hard enough into place on the Jag. I know a lot of people think the Jag CD wont work cus they simply didnt snap the Jag CD into place firmly enough on top of the Jag. Or they didnt try to reseat the Jag CD on the Jag enough times before getting a proper connection. Jag and Jag CD connectors are no longer new like any classic cart system so as everyone knows sometimes you have to seat and reseat a cart, or in the case of the jag cd the system a few times before you get it working. Same with the 32X.

2) clueless people put their jag CD games into the Jag cd and push down hard onto the spindle, which you are not supposed to do as it can make the spindle not want to spin freely or throw off alignment of lazer. This has nothing to do with the Jag CD being unreliable, it has to do with the user being an idiot.

I have owned over 10 CD units and only had a problem with 1, and that one had the spindle pushed down, I simply pulled it back up and it worked like a charm... Jag CD systems are not unreliable, the ignorant noob users are the problem lol... such as james nintendo nerd. I admit the guy is funny but after watching many of his videos he really doesnt know a whole lot about classic games and systems... and I hate how he treats his stuff. My biggest pet peeve with gaming is seeing someone handle games or systems or boxes roughly. makes me cringe.

save2600, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:48 PM, said:

VLM is neat, but waaaaaaay, way, way overrated and certainly shouldn't be considered one of the bigger selling points. Pretty sad if it is. Best visualizers "in the world" are what's built into iTunes - bar none. Besides, who sits and listens to CD's through a game machine? Especially on a delicate system such as the JagCD? On second thought, don't answer that... probably the same people that think it's cool watching horribly compressed public domain mpeg movies on their JagCD that should be free, but pay $20 for the "pleasure" of needlessly burning up their laser diodes.

Uh vlm is awesome and not overrated lol sorry you are in the minority. lots of people listen to music through a game machine. Again Jag CD is not delicate you can play cdrs all day long and have no problem I know I have. PS1 is more unreliable than Jag CD by a lot... has overheating problems, while jag cd does not. You have a point on the public domain movie watching on jag, but its just kinda cool watching movies with the jag. $20 is prolly too much though, $10 would be better for those movies.

metzger130, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM, said:

Well, I am not necessarily looking for a ton of games. I watched AVGN and wanted to get a Jag for Tempest and Attack of the Mutant Penguins, other then that I know NOTHING about the other games. I just thought attack looked like a fun game and funny too the way he describes it and Tempest, well, I think MOST people know how great of a game that is. I have an emulator on this computer and play it on it, but there is nothing like playing it on real hardware, just have to get the hardware.

Mutant penguins is not even one of the better Jag games. Start off with the cheap and good Jag games like:

Cybermorph, Iron Soldier, Zool 2, Doom, AvP, Wolf 3d, Tempest 2000, Raiden, Super Burnout.

Nuclear Pacman, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 4:27 PM, said:

save2600, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:48 PM, said:

VLM is neat, but waaaaaaay, way, way overrated and certainly shouldn't be considered one of the bigger selling points. Pretty sad if it is. Best visualizers "in the world" are what's built into iTunes - bar none. Besides, who sits and listens to CD's through a game machine? Especially on a delicate system such as the JagCD? On second thought, don't answer that... probably the same people that think it's cool watching horribly compressed public domain mpeg movies on their JagCD that should be free, but pay $20 for the "pleasure" of needlessly burning up their laser diodes.

I used to use the VLM until I got my 360 with a big enough HDD that I was able to burn all my music to. Now I use my 360 as a jukebox, but the VLM was top notch for a long time as a visualizer. It still looks cool I think, but yeah I no longer put the wear on my JadCD unit by playing music. It used to be fun though, many years ago, and back then I don't think it was overrated.

Exactly, its not overrated, more like underrated as so many people dont know about it. Imagine if the PS1 had VLM1, it would be talked about as the greatest visualizer of all time bar none.

Edited by kevincal, Thu Dec 1, 2011 6:00 PM.

[save2600]

kevincal, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:55 PM, said:

...you are in the minority.

Thanks and proudly always will be for a reason and by design.

Don't get me wrong fellas. I think the JagCD is neat for what it is. I'm sure I'll get another one someday, but am going to be patient until I find the right deal. And no, not just to play a $400 copy of GORF either. :crazy: :kooky: :insane: :absurd: :preposterous:

[thgill]

I have 3 boxed Jag's for sale in the Marketplace.

[VertigoProcess]

I also need a jag to kind of complete my atari collection... I just need 2 more 2600s 2 7800s and of course the jag... jags next on my list... you should do what im going to... wait till after the holidays... prices will go down...

[metzger130]

2 more 2600's and 2 7800's? Ok, I can see the 2600's possibly wanting a 6 switcher, 4 switcher, etc etc. But 7800's? I have 1 and that's all I thought there was, just like I have a 2 port 5200 and not a 4 port because.... well 4 port isn't great and I just want 1 of each to play the games.

[VertigoProcess]

metzger130, on Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:39 PM, said:

2 more 2600's and 2 7800's? Ok, I can see the 2600's possibly wanting a 6 switcher, 4 switcher, etc etc. But 7800's? I have 1 and that's all I thought there was, just like I have a 2 port 5200 and not a 4 port because.... well 4 port isn't great and I just want 1 of each to play the games.

I have 9 2600s in my collection already... heavy 6er, normal 6er, sunnyvalle, normal 4 switch, darth vader, sears 4 switch, sears 6er, jr, jr short rainbow... still need sears jr and a black jr...

There's three models of 7800 I need 2 more, have one in the mail don't know what model yet

I have a 5200 4 port still need a 2 port...

Im a hardware collector if you're gonna collect hardware you gotta do it right not only get all the systems but get all the models too... people collect full sets of games for one system I collect full sets of systems... welcome to the world of a hardware collector...

If yeah want ill upload a picture of my 2600 shelf... im quite proud of it...