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[bigbee99]

Like the topic says




http://www.examiner....time-sales-list

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

Does it surpass it also on failures and repairs required?

[cimerians]

Funny how an utterly pathetic machine in terms of hardware failure can sell so much based on its game library and content. (Just like the PS2)

If it can beat the Nintendo Wii in its lifetime then thats saying something! If it can hang around long enough but I think Microsoft will kill it in a few more short years. It can still keep selling though (just like the Wii can).

Its got millions more to catch up to the original playstation....let alone the insanity of the playstation 2.

Someone can kill me for saying this but I've had more fun with the 360 than the NES and I played that thing to death in the late 80's.

Edited by cimerians, Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:01 PM.

[Lord Helmet]

cimerians, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:00 PM, said:

Someone can kill me for saying this but I've had more fun with the 360 than the NES and I played that thing to death in the late 80's.

Me too. Crazy.

[moycon]

Lord Helmet, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:00 PM, said:

cimerians, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:00 PM, said:

Someone can kill me for saying this but I've had more fun with the 360 than the NES and I played that thing to death in the late 80's.

Me too. Crazy.

360 is easily my favorite system of all time. We're all crazy I guess.

As far as failures and repairs required. Did someone forget about the outrageous failure rate of the NES front loader? Does anyone here honestly have an original front loader that still works?
If you do, my guess is you don't actually use the thing. Nintendo invented design flaw, even if some folk don't wan't to admit it.

[Austin]

moycon, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:22 PM, said:

As far as failures and repairs required. Did someone forget about the outrageous failure rate of the NES front loader? Does anyone here honestly have an original front loader that still works? If you do, my guess is you don't actually use the thing. Nintendo invented design flaw, even if some folk don't wan't to admit it.

I wanted to mention the blinking issue with NES systems, but in reality I think very few of the toasters failed outright (i.e., red ring of death type of failure). The problems were due to the 72-pin connector, which we know today can be fixed pretty easily by either a replacement, or cleaning it up a bit by hand. As a kid though I didn't know that and had to shift my cartridges in a variety of ways in order to get my games to work.

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

moycon, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:22 PM, said:

As far as failures and repairs required. Did someone forget about the outrageous failure rate of the NES front loader? Does anyone here honestly have an original front loader that still works?
If you do, my guess is you don't actually use the thing. Nintendo invented design flaw, even if some folk don't wan't to admit it.

Fair enough but it is a fault that can relatively easily be fixed by myself and many owners, not defending it BUT I "FIXED" my 360 RROD a few times until finally it just would not work any longer, pathetic. Now, I do not intend to by a new one BUT if I do it will be the newer model, hoping it will last for at least 10 years since I do take care of my consoles.

[Lord Helmet]

moycon, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:22 PM, said:

Lord Helmet, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:00 PM, said:

cimerians, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:00 PM, said:

Someone can kill me for saying this but I've had more fun with the 360 than the NES and I played that thing to death in the late 80's.

Me too. Crazy.

360 is easily my favorite system of all time.

I place it #2 behind the 2600. I'd likely rank my top 5 like this:

2600
Xbox 360
SNES
NES
Dreamcast

[moycon]

OldSchoolRetroGamer, on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:31 AM, said:

not defending it BUT

I think what you posted was the very definition of defending it!

I guess when I consider the amount of time I used to spend with it and how excited I would get at receiving and playing new games, Atari 2600 would have to be bumped to the top of my list.
Xbox 360 is a close second though for sure. I don't think the NES would be in my top 5. Be more like...

Atari 2600
Xbox 360
Dreamcast
SNES
PS1

I do think it is great that MS was able to overcome their very obvious design flaw.

[bigbee99]

My list looks way different from you guys. But since we are listing away...

SNES
NES
C64
Wii
N64

I'm a bit of a Nintendo guy I guy you could say. I have next to no experience on the 360 however. I've messed around fixing a few but never put any time on them. I did however get the kids one for Xmas this year. They have all the other systems, why not? It's what they wanted after all.

I'm not surprised by the 360's sales though. Gaming consoles are a different beast now than they were 25 years ago. Video games have went from a niche to mainstream. I know people who got wii's just for the wiiFit and to stream netflix. Not to mention the wii's sales that went for retirement homes and rehabilitation centers.

B

[Spoon]

cimerians, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:00 PM, said:

Someone can kill me for saying this but I've had more fun with the 360 than the NES and I played that thing to death in the late 80's.

Amen. The X-Box 360 is really what brought me back to modern gaming. I started to sour to "modern consoles" when the Playstation came out and tended to stick with the games on older models. This didn't stop me from buying and collecting for modern consoles, but the majority of my time was with the older stuff. Then along comes the 360 which I only bought on a whim so I could game online with some friends, and my interest in modern gaming was completely revitalized. I'd have a hard time organizing a top three, but it would be between the 360, NES, and 2600.

[PsychoKittyNet]

Its my favorite modern console, in my top ten but not my top five though.

[JamesD]

I never liked the 2600, NES, etc... I always thought computer games were better.
The PS2 was the first console I found interesting at all, and the 360 is the first I thought was worth leaving PC gaming for.
I bought a PS2 because of cheap games and to play Champions of Norath with friends.
But once I bought a 360, the PS2 has pretty much gathered dust and I haven't bought a PC game since.

[bigbee99]

JamesD, on Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:40 PM, said:

I never liked the 2600, NES, etc... I always thought computer games were better.
The PS2 was the first console I found interesting at all, and the 360 is the first I thought was worth leaving PC gaming for.
I bought a PS2 because of cheap games and to play Champions of Norath with friends.
But once I bought a 360, the PS2 has pretty much gathered dust and I haven't bought a PC game since.

Yeah from 00-08ish I played Online PC games. Mostly Blizzard stuff. SC D2 WoW. I kept my old consoles at least and still did some collecting for these systems. I know I played Zelda Orciana of Time but by the time Majora's Mask came out, I was not playing enough to want to pay $50 on a new game. I own it now, but still haven't played it. I moved in '08 to a place in the sticks with no high speed internet killing my love for online game play... the real reason I'm not gun ho about the 360.

B

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

moycon, on Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:29 AM, said:

I think what you posted was the very definition of defending it!

Well our views are shaped by our experiences, count yourself lucky you've not had the issues myself and many others have had. I am sure I would love 360 to if it had not failed on me repeatedly. As it is, it has left a really bad taste in my mouth......piece of crap. If when I get a new slim it fails me I'm going to go burn down the Microsoft offices personally. Glad you've had a better experience.

Edited by OldSchoolRetroGamer, Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:32 PM.

[SnapCraft]

Yes! Suck on it NES! Take that ROB!

Us 40-somethings have something to be proud of. Finally some "bad" news for the beloved commie NES.

Stickin' with the Big 3:
Atari, Intellivision & Coleco

[moycon]

OldSchoolRetroGamer, on Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:30 PM, said:

Glad you've had a better experience.

All you're mentioning is the failure rate of early units. My experience was probably similar to yours, in fact most early adopters can relate to your experience with the 360 (think of it as OUR experience).
I've sent back 360 consoles on six occasions for various reasons some related to the design issue, some related to nature (lightning strike) All units were replaced promptly and for free.
The first 360's were POS and I doubt very many from year 1 and 2 are still running. Everyone here who jumped on the 360 wagon early knows that. Don't care, the gaming experience is kick ass and as someone with multiple 360 units, I can confirm the problem was resolved years ago. The initial story suggests that in the light of awesome gaming, many gamers are more forgiving than you. At this festive time of year, maybe you should just give ol Saint MS another chance.

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

moycon, on Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:46 AM, said:

At this festive time of year, maybe you should just give ol Saint MS another chance.

Bwahahahahah.....in this case I am happier being a GRINCH thanks..........
Microsoft is more like Krampus the Christmas Demon.
So in the spirit of CHRISTMAS I will agree to disagree............

[moycon]

OldSchoolRetroGamer, on Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:17 PM, said:

I will agree to disagree............

But you've already alluded to the fact you've had thoughts of getting another 360 unit. Based on your posts you would go with a used, but newer unit I thought?
Maybe the new unit will help your grinchy heart grow three sizes. Hey, you could post a YouTube video, maybe title it, "How the Grinch was Convinced."

[Atariboy]

I don't see any point on focusing on the lack of reliability on the system during its first few years. The Xbox 360 doesn't hold any monopoly on widespread problems.

Both Xbox consoles are safely in my top 5. My list would go something like this...

1st. Atari 2600
2nd. Super Nintendo
3rd. Xbox 360
4th. Xbox
5th. Nintendo 64

That last one is a tough choice since there are easily a good half dozen systems in close contention for it from the Colecovision all the way to the modern day (The PSOne and PS2 are very close). But the 1st party classics on the N64 push it slightly ahead.

[DemonoidTentacle]

I have mixed feelings about this news. On one hand, it upsets me because if feel that the NES had such a large impact not only for the gaming community, but society.

On the other hand, I feel that this is good news. The gaming community is really growing, and interconnecting with online multiplayer and communication (for the record, I despise online multiplayer, well, not really, I'd just rather have a bunch of friends all in the same room sharing a little screen)

And while we're talking where the 360 sits on all time favourite console lists, I don't really know where I can put it. I own one, and I'm thankful that I own it. But nothing really screams at me as full on stand out exclusive games. There's a few indie games I have interest in, but I like physical copies of games.

Okay, time for my list.
1. SNES
2.Dreamcast
3.NES
4. Mega Drive
5. N64

Okay... so it's not in my top 5, but I'd say top 10. Below Wii, but above PS3.

[Metal Ghost]

Kudos to the team in Redmond for the Xbox 360 success! It's easily my favorite console. It just does so damn much....I really don't think it can be beat from a feature set standpoint, right down to me playing somem Ultimate Sonic's Genesis Collection and my Atari and Intellivision LIves discs (orginal Xbox BC titles).

I'm not sure I could make a top 5 listing....maybe if I were to really give it some well deserved time to think about it. But I can say that at least for me it'd be in the #1 spot. Ironically enough, even though it's a modern console, in a certain way I actually have more nostalgia for my 360 than my other consoles. Though CV was my first ever console, and the 7800 really the only other one I had as a kid (purchased with my paper route money, thank you very much!), the 360 stands as the only one that I purchased on launch day....midnight at the 'ol Gamespot down the road.

That launch unit actually never failed on me either during the time that I had it.....up until the HDMI units came out. So those didn't arrive until about 2 years after launch, right?? The HDMI unit that I replaced my launch console with did E74 on me, but it was replaced free of charge and the replacement unit has never given me a lick of trouble.

I've actually been pretty lucky over the years with console mfgs' customer service. I have a GameCube with which I wanted to utilize the Component cables, but hadn't realized when I bought the console that Nintendo was no longer providing the proper video out port to use them. I called them up, and really with no hesitation on their part they said they'd send me a box into which I could ship the Game Cube to a local authorized repair center to get the port installed. How nice was that?

[jetset]

OldSchoolRetroGamer, on Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:34 PM, said:

Does it surpass it also on failures and repairs required?

I doubt it's even remotely close. The original xbox likely had a higher failure rate than the NES with those shitty thompson dvd drives. The nes may have a high failure rate from systems sitting in storage for 10+ years but there was no right out of the box failure problem like the 360. The 360 is a great gaming system (possibly one of the best) but Microsoft cut some serious quality corners with BOTH systems.

[NE146]

The 360's are now reliable. End of story. Ever since the Jasper/Liteon drive phat units came out, they've been solid as heck.

As Moycon says, we all went through the hell of the early units but that's been discussed to death. I went through at least 7 of them myself and they sucked. End of story. That time is pretty much over though.

[SoulBlazer]

7? Yeesh, I thought I had bad luck with 6!

1) Original Elite unit: RROD, sent back for free repairs
2) Replaced Elite: Stolen
3) Refurbished Elite: E74
4) Refurbished Elite: Weird graphical errors and then lockups.
5) Refurbished Elite: Sold
6) New Jasper Elite: Still using.

The 360 is defentily a great system, but yeah, compared to the NES they defentily have problems. The new ones do seem reliable (and I'm still using a phat system, no slim.)

As for ranking my top 5 consoles:

1) NES
2) SNES
3) XBbox 360
4) PS1/PS2
5) XBox

Edited by SoulBlazer, Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:59 AM.