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[Kurt Edward Kaschak]

hey im not gonna do it but my friend told me its not illegal to download and burn atari jaguar cd iso from the net is this true?

[CD-i]

no. It's illegal like burning any other iso of games which are still under copyright of someone.

[mister_pal]

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[Sauron]

Yes.

[Jag_Slave]

Suuure you're not gonna do it LOL

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

If the OP says he's not going to do it then that's good enough for me! http://www.atariage....56#entry2440156

[ls650]

Kurt Edward Kaschak, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 4:28 PM, said:

hey im not gonna do it but my friend told me its not illegal to download and burn atari jaguar cd iso from the net is this true?

Uh huh... a 'friend'. LOL...

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

My Friend told me Unicorns are real and it's perfectly safe to jump into a shallow lake head first!

[ACrystal2011]

I suggest buying the games. The programmers worked hard to design them, don't steal! Plus you can get pretty boxes and manuals

[wood_jl]

Ha Ha! Tons of people here use emulators and flashcarts for the other Atari systems, and can't wait for a new 7800 Flashcart, and it's O.K. to discuss those. The Jaguar is somehow more sacred than the other Atari systems, and you're not even allowed to discuss such activity in relation to it.

Edited by wood_jl, Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:17 PM.

[Chuck D. Head]

Yeah, there must be an invisible boundry line there somewhere.

[ACrystal2011]

Using an emulator is one thing making illegal copies of a game cart or cd is another

Edited by ACrystal2011, Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM.

[Sauron]

ACrystal2011, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:38 PM, said:

I suggest buying the games. The programmers worked hard to design them, don't steal! Plus you can get pretty boxes and manuals

Yes, never mind the fact that the programmers won't ever see a cent from most Jag games that you buy.

[goatdan]

Sauron, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:08 AM, said:

ACrystal2011, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:38 PM, said:

I suggest buying the games. The programmers worked hard to design them, don't steal! Plus you can get pretty boxes and manuals

Yes, never mind the fact that the programmers won't ever see a cent from most Jag games that you buy.

To be fair though, other people bought the games to sell to people.

The programmers always see the money when the games are initially manufactured. In situations like this, it's never really the programmers losing out, it's the retail stores who bought the product who lose out.

Having said that, it's just as illegal to download and burn Jaguar games as it is to download and play 7800 games or Xbox 360 games. The Jaguar is more touchy than the 7800 because there are a number of rights-holders who are still active on it, and who could potentially be damaged by their games being pirated.

[CyranoJ]

goatdan, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:15 AM, said:

The programmers always see the money when the games are initially manufactured.

Not for unfinished "beta" product.

[sh3-rg]

CyranoJ, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:14 AM, said:

goatdan, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:15 AM, said:

The programmers always see the money when the games are initially manufactured.

Not for unfinished "beta" product.

Sounds like the voice of experience... poor old Sinister Developments...

[Sauron]

goatdan, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:15 AM, said:

Sauron, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:08 AM, said:

ACrystal2011, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:38 PM, said:

I suggest buying the games. The programmers worked hard to design them, don't steal! Plus you can get pretty boxes and manuals

Yes, never mind the fact that the programmers won't ever see a cent from most Jag games that you buy.

To be fair though, other people bought the games to sell to people.

The programmers always see the money when the games are initially manufactured. In situations like this, it's never really the programmers losing out, it's the retail stores who bought the product who lose out.

Having said that, it's just as illegal to download and burn Jaguar games as it is to download and play 7800 games or Xbox 360 games. The Jaguar is more touchy than the 7800 because there are a number of rights-holders who are still active on it, and who could potentially be damaged by their games being pirated.

And tell me just how many "retail stores" are out there selling brand new Jag games that were purchased directly from the publisher? Not many, and the few who do sell even common games for outrageous prices.

[wood_jl]

ACrystal2011, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM, said:

Using an emulator is one thing making illegal copies of a game cart or cd is another

The trouble is, most people that use emulators......use an illegal copy of a game cart.

[ACrystal2011]

wood_jl, on Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:23 AM, said:

ACrystal2011, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM, said:

Using an emulator is one thing making illegal copies of a game cart or cd is another

The trouble is, most people that use emulators......use an illegal copy of a game cart.

I agree. But some use them to see if its worth getting a game, I'm using stella right now but really want to get a 2600 and some games soon

[so_tough!]

Stella deserves much more than "being used"! She's a good woman !

[goatdan]

Sauron, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:18 PM, said:

And tell me just how many "retail stores" are out there selling brand new Jag games that were purchased directly from the publisher? Not many, and the few who do sell even common games for outrageous prices.

Actually, I know of a surprising number.

And really, it's eye of the beholder to determine what an outrageous price is. Is $20 for Checkered Flag outrageous, or is $500 for BattleSphere Gold outrageous? If you think that one or the other is outrageous and everyone agrees with you, then the companies either have to sit on their stock until the demand level changes, or change their prices.

One of the reasons the GOAT Store doesn't carry new games (and I guess based on what you're saying, we charge "outrageous prices" for our used games) is that the market can change so quickly. Using Rayman Origins as an example, let's say that the week it came out I bought 10 of them for $35 apiece, thinking that was a great deal. Unless I sold them all already, I've already lost money on that transaction because the price has dropped to $30 new. Companies make deals with huge retail chains to adjust pricing, but not with the little guys. If a company like GoAtari purchased a ton of inventory for a really high cost, that company needs to decide whether it is worth hanging onto that inventory for a really long time with the hope that eventually it will move (and storing it meanwhile), or lowering their prices.

Again though, I feel that is a decision those little businesses should be able to make, and I really don't feel for the most part like the majority of stuff has "outrageous" prices. No matter what, it's a poor reason to promote piracy for any console, as I could claim that $5.00 is too high of a price to buy Skyrim for, so why don't I pirate it instead? Who am I to be the one who sets the price?

[Rex Dart]

goatdan, on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:48 AM, said:

Sauron, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:18 PM, said:

And tell me just how many "retail stores" are out there selling brand new Jag games that were purchased directly from the publisher?

Actually, I know of a surprising number.

How many? Anything greater than "two" would surprise me.

[goatdan]

Rex Dart, on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM, said:

goatdan, on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:48 AM, said:

Sauron, on Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:18 PM, said:

And tell me just how many "retail stores" are out there selling brand new Jag games that were purchased directly from the publisher?

Actually, I know of a surprising number.

How many? Anything greater than "two" would surprise me.

Well, let's see here:

Songbird Productions is selling Songbird Productions games, and I carry those at the GOAT Store which I purchase directly from Songbird Productions.

That's two right there, and I know of more than two that are carrying product they bought directly from Atari back in the day still.

Then you have your mixed groups, like if Songbird Productions bought directly from Telegames (which they have), would you count that as two separate instances because there are two publishers involved in Songbird?

I don't want to name people specifically because I do not know if those groups want their business dealings explained, but I would peg the number of people that have purchased directly from Atari closer to a handful. As for people who purchased brand new Jag games directly from the publisher using Songbird as an example, if you count purchasing from more than one publisher as more than one example, I think my number would be close to 25.

[Chris Leach]

wood_jl, on Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:17 PM, said:

Ha Ha! Tons of people here use emulators and flashcarts for the other Atari systems, and can't wait for a new 7800 Flashcart, and it's O.K. to discuss those. The Jaguar is somehow more sacred than the other Atari systems, and you're not even allowed to discuss such activity in relation to it.

Yeah just like the Neo Geo and there is no real reason for this.....(other than a couple tools that stand in the way)..IMHO!

[Crazy Climber]

- Here is the thing, people that want to make illegal copies of games just do it, they don't ask. The info is all over the web. These are people that actually want to play the games/etc.. and do not care about the "collecting" aspect

- People that KNOW the jag people freak out about this shit, post questions asking how to do it. Then they sit back and listen to everyone argue about it being right and wrong, etc.. Yeah, same thing with Neo Geo forums.

Bottom line - YOU ARE BEING TROLLED