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[chris_lynx1989]

At the CES yesterday M$ announced that the '12 one was the last one they would attend.

Also,they had no new Next-Gen hardware on display,nor would they answer any questions about an XBox3/XBox720 being in the future at all. Seems strange for M$ with talk of Sony releasing their Vita and talk of PS4 being shown at CES '12.

Will there be an E3 for M$ in '12?

[Rex Dart]

Of course there will, now stop with the halfleet-speak.

[chris_lynx1989]

Halfleet-speak?

I'm just relaying what I heard yesterday.

I was shocked like the Press was then.

Yeah,M$ might be holding back till E3 with some other annoucements,possibly big ones... Just makes me wonder though.And the Press was confused by it too.

[Ransom]

Eh, they're just aping Apple as usual.

[Metal Ghost]

Um, no.

First, Microsoft announced months ago that this would be their last CES at which they would keynote, though they would maintain a presence in the future.

Second, Microsoft has never announced a console at CES, or even E3 for that matter. I belive they announed the orginal Xbox at GDC, while the official 360 announcement was at a special, dedicated MTV event.

How about this: "$ony on the skids? No PS4 Announcement!". See what I mean....I'm not really making the connection. Though Sony did loose something like $3.2Billion for fiscal 2011 (I believe). It'll be interesting to see how fiscal 2012 turns out, which ends for them in March.

[Hyper_Eye]

People have been talking about the declining importance of CES and E3 for a couple of years now. This is not a sudden thing. I was watching a report on CNN about it just the other day before MS even made their announcement. The overall consensus is that electronics companies have an issue with having their announcements, designs, and preview products ready to go for these particular shows. They want to do things on their own time. A company like Microsoft doesn't really need a show like CES or E3 to show or announce their products. Like Apple they have the resources to put on their own show for their products on whatever date they want.

This announcement doesn't tell us anything about the future of Microsoft in the video game industry. Any speculation that they are not going to move forward with a successor to the Xbox 360 is ludicrous. Microsoft has said for years that their ultimate goal is to provide a single device that serves as the center of a families entertainment. They have also said that the Xbox is their vehicle to achieve that goal. They are very close to getting there. They are also selling a ton of units and the Xbox has become profitable. It would be a huge blow to them and their stock if they decided not to continue the Xbox division.

[onlysublime]

I can't find the original source articles I read awhile back so this is the only link I could seem off the first google page:
http://www.inquisitr...to-3-year-deal/

It basically says there are a number of reasons why MS is leaving CES.
1) they didn't want to sign a multiyear commitment contract with CES at a higher rate in order to hold a higher visibility position
2) CES doesn't match up with Microsoft's release schedule
3) Microsoft third-party developers felt the show wasn't worth the time and effort to get products ready

Just because you know that Microsoft can afford it doesn't mean you should charge them more than other vendors. Having a major keynote isn't worth the cost.

[atarian63]

Hyper_Eye, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM, said:

People have been talking about the declining importance of CES and E3 for a couple of years now. This is not a sudden thing. I was watching a report on CNN about it just the other day before MS even made their announcement. The overall consensus is that electronics companies have an issue with having their announcements, designs, and preview products ready to go for these particular shows. They want to do things on their own time. A company like Microsoft doesn't really need a show like CES or E3 to show or announce their products. Like Apple they have the resources to put on their own show for their products on whatever date they want.

This announcement doesn't tell us anything about the future of Microsoft in the video game industry. Any speculation that they are not going to move forward with a successor to the Xbox 360 is ludicrous. Microsoft has said for years that their ultimate goal is to provide a single device that serves as the center of a families entertainment. They have also said that the Xbox is their vehicle to achieve that goal. They are very close to getting there. They are also selling a ton of units and the Xbox has become profitable. It would be a huge blow to them and their stock if they decided not to continue the Xbox division.

It will also be many many years to make up for the years of losses with xbox and the 1st several years of 360. The US is the only place it's selling huge and not really that much more that ps3.

[Hyper_Eye]

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM, said:

It will also be many many years to make up for the years of losses with xbox and the 1st several years of 360. The US is the only place it's selling huge and not really that much more that ps3.

The losses on the original Xbox were anticipated by Microsoft. They never expected the original Xbox to turn a profit but their intention was to get into the industry. Clearly the console was successful in doing that. The Xbox 360 was also released at a loss, as is common in the industry, and it was not expected to be profitable early on. Last year the 360 doubled in profit over the year before. I didn't compare it to other consoles. Nintendo fans would be the first to note that placing against competition does not affect a companies ability to produce the console. The Gamecube looked like a failure when compared to the other consoles of its generation but it was consistently profitable for Nintendo and their placing did not deter them from releasing another console. The bottom line is that Microsoft is looking at the long game and they are well positioned. They are also interested in much more than providing a gaming console and the Xbox is creating a customer base for what will be their all purpose entertainment device. That is what they are really interested in. Also, as far as U.S. sales goes, the 360 is not just barely selling more than the PS3. It is selling the most units of the three in the U.S. and week over week it is selling double the PS3 or more. During the big holiday sale weekends the 360 creamed the PS3. I didn't contribute to that because I didn't buy a 360 this year but my wife added 1 to the PS3 count when she bought me one for Christmas.

[onlysublime]

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM, said:

It will also be many many years to make up for the years of losses with xbox and the 1st several years of 360. The US is the only place it's selling huge and not really that much more that ps3.

this post doesn't match up at all with statistical reality. and don't devolve this thread into a fanboy thread, please.

[Austin]

onlysublime, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 PM, said:

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM, said:

It will also be many many years to make up for the years of losses with xbox and the 1st several years of 360. The US is the only place it's selling huge and not really that much more that ps3.

this post doesn't match up at all with statistical reality. and don't devolve this thread into a fanboy thread, please.

No use in trying, he always does regardless.

[moycon]

onlysublime, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 PM, said:

this post doesn't match up at all with statistical reality.

atarian63 doesn't care about hard facts silly.
And really, you got to hand it to the guy, he's got to be the only fan boy pushing 50. That makes his posts, if not at all informative, at least entertaining.

I'm actually confused about this whole thread, MS announced this "news" awhile ago, and their reasons for not wanting to continue attending at that time, pretty mundane stuff.

[atarian63]

moycon, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM, said:

onlysublime, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 PM, said:

this post doesn't match up at all with statistical reality.

atarian63 doesn't care about hard facts silly.
And really, you got to hand it to the guy, he's got to be the only fan boy pushing 50. That makes his posts, if not at all informative, at least entertaining.

I'm actually confused about this whole thread, MS announced this "news" awhile ago, and their reasons for not wanting to continue attending at that time, pretty mundane stuff.

ahh the uneducated boy con from moms basment again, foolish, a bit dim witted. Must be that youthful laziness.. LOL!
record losses over 8 years plus, not likely any of that crap was planned. would take 10 years or so of profit to make up for the losses.
64.6mill vs 60.6 for a console out 1 year earlier than the other doesnt sound so great.
http://www.vgchartz.com/
weekly sales in europe are almost as great as the us market and the roles are reversed wth ps3 dominating, and for Japan it barely exists.
Global for the week ps3 is just ahead. not to mention 3ds is far ahead of either for the last few weeks.

[chris_lynx1989]

Yeah,the XBox Division has consistently lost 1 to 1.5 million per day since 2000 when it launched.

Sony is in the same boat as M$,they've been losing BILLIONS on PS2/PS3/PSP for years now too.Figure that daily loss up for M$,it adds up to a TON of money!Sony and M$ are large enough to spread those losses out to look prettier to stockholders and all.Atari wasn't and couldn't and died.

[Cebus Capucinis]

Out of curiosity, is Microsoft like 'Voldemort' in this thread or something, and the name can't be used, instead opting for this "M$" thing? "The Company Who-Can-Not-Be-Named"?

[chris_lynx1989]

That's too easy.And I like M$ better. lol

Microsoft.Is that better?

I usaually just abreviate it with M$ or MS to save time. Sorry.

[Atariboy]

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM, said:

It will also be many many years to make up for the years of losses with xbox and the 1st several years of 360.

Look up the definition of sunk cost. Whatever losses Microsoft absorbed years ago is ancient history for the program and irrelevant.

chris_lynx1989, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:22 PM, said:

Yeah,the XBox Division has consistently lost 1 to 1.5 million per day since 2000 when it launched.

The Xbox program has been very profitable for Microsoft for years now. I understand and share your love for Nintendo, but why you want to create this fictional world around the systems that Sony and Microsoft create is beyond me. Anyone that spends 10 minutes looking up annual reports from Microsoft in recent years will see that you just pulled that statistic out of thin air.

Edited by Atariboy, Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:46 PM.

[Hyper_Eye]

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:54 PM, said:

weekly sales in europe are almost as great as the us market and the roles are reversed wth ps3 dominating, and for Japan it barely exists.
Global for the week ps3 is just ahead. not to mention 3ds is far ahead of either for the last few weeks.

You are smoking something if you think just as many consoles are selling in Europe as the US. Go back through more than just the last week displayed there. Week over week during November and December the US was buying from 1 million to over 2 million consoles a week while EU never broke a million. And the spread between the 360 and the PS3 is not as wide in EU as it is in the US. A single week does not reflect a trend.

Besides, you said:

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM, said:

The US is the only place it's selling huge and not really that much more that ps3.

That was a comment on the performance of the 360 in the US market and "not really that much more" was simply wrong. So you made a statement that was not factual and your rebuttal did nothing to bolster your original statement but attempted to broaden your intent to make yourself look correct. The original statement was simply wrong and looking back through the very site you posted is proof to that affect.

Regardless of any of this, it has almost no relevance to the OP. It's just another comment by someone who consistently uses any opportunity to talk fanboy-ish trash against the Xbox 360.

Edited by Hyper_Eye, Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:49 PM.

[chris_lynx1989]

@Atariboy

No,not thin air.It has been in the news several times,discussions on games on G4 and Spike during the last few years.Also during the year if it wasn't at CES or E3 coverage time.

Sony's stuff came from PTOM/GI and/or those sources too.

[chris_lynx1989]

@Atariboy

I used to be a Ninty fan in the GB/GBA days.Then Atari Lynx.Then NeoGeo Pocket Color.And now a mostly a PSP fan.Next I may be a Vita convert too.

Edited by chris_lynx1989, Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:15 AM.

[moycon]

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:54 PM, said:

ahh the uneducated boy con from moms basment again, foolish, a bit dim witted. Must be that youthful laziness

Like most of your dreck, completely unrelated to reality. Where did you even get that fantasy? I ask because you use it often like you've convinced yourself your silly lie, is the truth. (much like all your little stories) LOL Check my FB albums if you want to see where I really live. I'm not ashamed.

BTW, Does your wife know you do this? You should show her the posts you make on AA. If you aren't drunk, I'd be embarrassed, although like I said it is pretty amusing!

[wood_jl]

Microsoft has BIG plans to further the Xbox, in some shape or another. It's going to compete with DVR and TIVO and all that shit, in the future. I hope it's good! If it does all that shit and plays games as good as it does now - at a reasonable price - it will likely be a hit. But there's a lot of competition.

[onlysublime]

and atarian63 has done it. devolved the thread down to his level...

[Atariboy]

chris_lynx1989, on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:08 AM, said:

@Atariboy

No,not thin air.It has been in the news several times,discussions on games on G4 and Spike during the last few years.Also during the year if it wasn't at CES or E3 coverage time.

Sony's stuff came from PTOM/GI and/or those sources too.

The division responsible for the Xbox has been profitable for upwards of half a decade now. Just quickly glancing at their latest annual report, the division responsible for gaming showed a 497 profit in 2008, a 351 million profit in 2009 (When the recession was in full tilt), a 618 million profit in 2010, and a profit of over 1.3 billion in 2011.

Edited by Atariboy, Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:59 AM.

[xg4bx]

moycon, on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:45 AM, said:

atarian63, on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:54 PM, said:

ahh the uneducated boy con from moms basment again, foolish, a bit dim witted. Must be that youthful laziness

BTW, Does your wife know you do this? You should show her the posts you make on AA. If you aren't drunk, I'd be embarrassed, although like I said it is pretty amusing!

holy crap that made me laugh hard. thanks.