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[drsreym]

Guys,

I need your help to identify it a a valid or counterfeit. Can someone who owns a GORF standard edition take some photos of the disk and post them here. I know GORF is a CD-R but can you also post the numbers or CD code from the bottom of the disk?

Thanks,

Edited by drsreym, Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM.

[CyranoJ]

Seeing as none of them are licensed by Midway, I believe they are all counterfeit

[Zerosquare]

http://www.atariage....areLabelID=2738

[drsreym]

Thanks for the link. But i need the numbers off the Cd on the bottom to verify that's it's a legitimate copy. I think i have a fake not the original.

[ls650]

Maybe you should post your numbers and someone with a 'real' GORF can tell you whether yours is fake or not.

[drsreym]

Here is the Photos of the counterfeit Gorf CD. So be careful.

[JagChris]

uh guy we still cant read those nubmers.

[drsreym]

I have confirmed the copy to be fake and the person i purchased it from admitted to it and refunded the money.

The Numbers on the CD is: RFD80M-79246 80
The numbers etched on the plastic inner ring: TGC108293801E16

• If you look at the photos closely you see that the cover is too small and does not fit in the case correctly.
  
• You see that the manual is too small too.
  
• On the CD you see that the image is not round and has a printed CD edge on the CD.
  
• Also on the close up of the manual you can see that it has a "Printed on fold line" in addition to the real fold line
  
• The printing is also dull and the manual is not that legible
  
• Inside the CD case is missing the same markings that the originals seem to have.

Since I am looking to buy a legitimate copy of this game it would be useful if someone could still post some pic of a legitimate copy and post the numbers/words/etc that you see on the bottom of the disk.

Maybe for games like GORF that are susceptible to being forged we should produce an official guide so we can spot fakes or not.


Maybe something like http://www.superpcen...t/sapcomp1.html (this is a guide people made to identify counterfeit Sapphire for the PC Engine) On that game someone actually glass mastered fakes so they could be passed off easier.

So please post photos, CD-Codes, so that we can identify the real deal from fakes.

Edited by drsreym, Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:56 PM.

[Austin]

There are scans of the packaging/disc/instructions in the AA rarity list: http://www.atariage....areLabelID=2738

[drsreym]

That does not really help and i have looked at it many times. What I want is the numbers of the bottom of the CD and a photo of inside the plastic case. With those items items we can tell a fake from a real one.

All the Gorf that were made should have plastic cases with identical inernal markings. (Special edition: white, Standard: Blue) and the disk code should match for all the special editions and the standard edition ones. (There may be 1 code for special and a different one for standard but each edition should have concistant codes).

If we just document those things then nobody can counterfit one again.

[save2600]

I'd buy a fake Gorf for a dollar.

[Gaztee]

The real instructions for Gorf are pretty hard to read anyway! Looks like pretty good effort at faking it! As you said the biggest give away is the front cover. Also the blue box seems a little to light! At least you got your money back

[drsreym]

So nobody owns a Gorf and is willing to take pictures of the inside of the Case read the numbers off the bottom of the CD?

[rush6432]

Not many have them.

Edited by rush6432, Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:24 AM.

[sh3-rg]

Maybe people would rather not - at best they'd gain nothing by doing it, at worst they'd realise they lost $100s if their copy was found to be a wrongun.

Or they might simply have lost the keys to the revolving glass cabinet

So what was the deal with yours? Did the seller make it himself to decieve people or did he originally buy it in good faith?

[drsreym]

sh3-rg, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:55 AM, said:

Maybe people would rather not - at best they'd gain nothing by doing it, at worst they'd realise they lost $100s if their copy was found to be a wrongun.

Or they might simply have lost the keys to the revolving glass cabinet

So what was the deal with yours? Did the seller make it himself to decieve people or did he originally buy it in good faith?

What they would gain is having a way to prove to any future potential buyer if they resell it that it is authentic. If we dont share this information and validate it with the comunity people will eventually flood the market with counterfit copies and with no way to validate them they will all become worthless.

Also this copy was not bought in good faith and resold with out knoledge of it being a fake. The seller claims he made a copy for somone else and he somehow mixed them up and I got the copy and he got the original. I have identified the other buyer of the "Copy" on JSII and once he responds we will find out if the seller's story is true or maybe he just attempted to defraud both of us.

[sh3-rg]

drsreym, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM, said:

What they would gain is having a way to prove to any future potential buyer if they resell it that it is authentic. If we dont share this information and validate it with the comunity people will eventually flood the market with counterfit copies and with no way to validate them they will all become worthless.

Not disagreeing, just looking for reasons why someone might not want to do it. I think it's a good idea. It's not like it'd make it easier for people to repro if there were photos, because things like the CD-R serial number you can't fake. Maybe you should get the ATIP info from the CD-R, too.

drsreym, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM, said:

Also this copy was not bought in good faith and resold with out knoledge of it being a fake. The seller claims he made a copy for somone else and he somehow mixed them up and I got the copy and he got the original. I have identified the other buyer of the "Copy" on JSII and once he responds we will find out if the seller's story is true or maybe he just attempted to defraud both of us.

Whoa, it's difficult to not feel suspicious with a tale like that. I wouldn't bet against them both being repros, although maybe the seller would have needed an 'original' to copy from, or maybe he just downloaded the images needed. then again his 'original' might still be sat on his shelf. So is the seller known in Jaguar circles? If so, he needs outing, so others don't get stung the same way.

[drsreym]

sh3-rg, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM, said:

Whoa, it's difficult to not feel suspicious with a tale like that. I wouldn't bet against them both being repros, although maybe the seller would have needed an 'original' to copy from, or maybe he just downloaded the images needed. then again his 'original' might still be sat on his shelf. So is the seller known in Jaguar circles? If so, he needs outing, so others don't get stung the same way.

Once I get a answer from the other buyer and verify if the sellers story is true or not I will share it out and post appropriate feedback on eBay as a warning.

[twoquickcapri]

I made no deal with that guy and the game showed up yesterday.

The number on the inside of the inner ring of the CD is: 80 PG1230

Did find any numbers on the case.

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[drsreym]

The guy's ebay name is lucasmatthewprice and the item I purchased was Gorf.

lucasmatthewprice claimed that twoquickcapri cancled his winning bid and asked him to make a copy for $100 and thats why he gave me an official second chance offer through eBay and in packaging it he mixed up the boxes and sent the copy to me and the real one to twoquickcapri. I just confirmed with twoquickcapri on JSII there there was no deal and this guy just decided to try to rip me off. Since twoquickcapri was the original buyer i know the seller tried to commit fraud and there is no mixup possible. He clearly stated when i directly confronted him the winning bidder renigged and only wanted a copy and he was selling the original it to me.

I will be filing negative feedback with eBay and filing a police report for mail fraud. This guy lives im my state and only a few hours away I have half a mind to file the complaint with the local authorities in his town and press charges. But since that would be alot of effort and i knida lazy and i got a refund i just might drop it at the leaving negative eBay feedback.

What do you guys think or whay would you do in that situation?

[drsreym]

twoquickcapri, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:39 PM, said:

The number on the inside of the inner ring of the CD is: 80 PG1230

That is a Taiyo Yuden type 1 CDR and lot from what i can tell was avaiable for sale between 2005-2006 so it matches the timeframe of the GORF release and could be real. The developer can confirm or if other people check theirs and it matches you can know for sure.

Edited by drsreym, Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM.

[wozencl]

He would have got away with it too had it not been for those meddling kids!

Just spread the word that he's a known scammer and explain it clearly in his feedback. The damage to his reputation is punishment enough for a first offence.

[Sauron]

Just a thought, but...have you tried contacting Gorf for assistance?

[sh3-rg]

Sauron, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM, said:

Just a thought, but...have you tried contacting Gorf for assistance?

I thought about suggesting that, but remembered he was dead against the game ever changing hands for more than the original price anyway, it was made known at the time that he didn't want it going the way of other releases. I think Jay Smith produced the game for him, he'd likely know more about what to look for or not than most people.

[high voltage]

Here's mine an original, btw the copyright date is 2005 (insert) 2006 (CD).
Regarding #3 The CD print itself was never round on all GORF, that little edge is missing.
Your DVD insert is not original for sure, far too glossy, and cut smaller.
BTW there's 3 GORF, black case, blue case with poster, white case







GORF is on torrents anyway, so this hush hush thing is kinda stupid.

Yes, GORF on Jaguar is illegal, but hey, a full GORF with all levels is on no other console, that counts OK in my book.

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Edited by high voltage, Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:30 AM.