I think the guy wants a photo of the other side of the CD, so he can read the numbers from it. As for torrent, well, that's true but I think the aim is to prevent people paying silly money for a $5 knock-off - people who want it for collection purposes aren't going to want a repro.
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:43 AM
same number 80 PG1230, fu....that's small print
There's something etched on the most inner ring too, letters and numbers?
There's something etched on the most inner ring too, letters and numbers?
Edited by high voltage, Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:44 AM.
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:18 AM
Ok Ill play - I have a white "Special Release" edition. Mine has a # hand written on the disc - which ones were numbered?
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:39 AM
The white numbered ones were the original 50 I think. Maybe that's why your code is different.
Goochman, on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:18 AM, said:
Ok Ill play - I have a white "Special Release" edition. Mine has a # hand written on the disc - which ones were numbered?
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM
Whie box = Special Release
anything different besides a white case and the writing? Maybe a poster too?
anything different besides a white case and the writing? Maybe a poster too?
Edited by high voltage, Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM.
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:15 AM
sh3-rg, on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:39 AM, said:
The white numbered ones were the original 50 I think. Maybe that's why your code is different.
Goochman, on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:18 AM, said:
Ok Ill play - I have a white "Special Release" edition. Mine has a # hand written on the disc - which ones were numbered?
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
My CD etched #
AL567E0989580
I think that is the other # I was referring to as well, mine is: KL541C0309480
here's the white box CD with hand-written number:
Edited by high voltage, Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:16 AM.
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Guys,
Thank you so much for posting and helping.
Are you reading the code which is on the metalic/data part of the disk or the Serial number tipically etched/engraved on the plastic disk inner most part of the disk.
I have been trying to take a photo of the codes on the disk so people would know the difference. but its so hard to read and does not photograph with my shity camera.
The code should be the same unless the guys used mutiple spindles of CDs' when making it but even then if they were the same brand and purched is a close timeframe they are very likely to come from the same lot and still match. If by some chance that multiple brands or lots were used its likely to only be 2 at best for a small run of 50 disks and at most 3 for the run of 100. i bet lunch to anyone that we find that the was a single disk code for the special release and another for the standard release.
The etched/engraved serial number would be unique. Looks like you guys posted the serial numbers not disk codes.
Thank you so much for posting and helping.
Are you reading the code which is on the metalic/data part of the disk or the Serial number tipically etched/engraved on the plastic disk inner most part of the disk.
I have been trying to take a photo of the codes on the disk so people would know the difference. but its so hard to read and does not photograph with my shity camera.
The code should be the same unless the guys used mutiple spindles of CDs' when making it but even then if they were the same brand and purched is a close timeframe they are very likely to come from the same lot and still match. If by some chance that multiple brands or lots were used its likely to only be 2 at best for a small run of 50 disks and at most 3 for the run of 100. i bet lunch to anyone that we find that the was a single disk code for the special release and another for the standard release.
The etched/engraved serial number would be unique. Looks like you guys posted the serial numbers not disk codes.
Edited by drsreym, Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:58 PM.
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Posted Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:12 AM
I posted the # etched into the center of my CD that doesnt photograph well and is hard to see/read.
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drsreym, on Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:45 PM, said:
The guy's ebay name is lucasmatthewprice and the item I purchased was Gorf.
lucasmatthewprice claimed that twoquickcapri cancled his winning bid and asked him to make a copy for $100 and thats why he gave me an official second chance offer through eBay and in packaging it he mixed up the boxes and sent the copy to me and the real one to twoquickcapri. I just confirmed with twoquickcapri on JSII there there was no deal and this guy just decided to try to rip me off. Since twoquickcapri was the original buyer i know the seller tried to commit fraud and there is no mixup possible. He clearly stated when i directly confronted him the winning bidder renigged and only wanted a copy and he was selling the original it to me.
lucasmatthewprice claimed that twoquickcapri cancled his winning bid and asked him to make a copy for $100 and thats why he gave me an official second chance offer through eBay and in packaging it he mixed up the boxes and sent the copy to me and the real one to twoquickcapri. I just confirmed with twoquickcapri on JSII there there was no deal and this guy just decided to try to rip me off. Since twoquickcapri was the original buyer i know the seller tried to commit fraud and there is no mixup possible. He clearly stated when i directly confronted him the winning bidder renigged and only wanted a copy and he was selling the original it to me.
This guy certainly didn't count on us all knowing one another in this community (or at least being able to easily track people down). Lies like that can't survive for long in this type of environment! Nice job nailing this guy to the wall!
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Posted Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:23 PM
I have the white case Special Release, #29/50. The label is printed directly to the CDR which is silver. The number etched in the center is different from the one goochman posted. Mine reads AL567E0990180
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:48 AM
OK, I took a look of at my version which I got many years ago directly from 3d Stooges and compared it with your pictures.
First the blue case. On the inside at the cd side, there is in the upper left corner and in the lower right corner the text "LIFT EDGE OF DISC TO RELEASE". In the lower middle there is a shield with the text "PROTECT DISC". At the inner side of the case is the text "PATENT PENDING". All these texts are missing on the case in your images. Also the shape of the case is different. My case has on the inner side a long thin bulge from top to botton while your case has only a tiny bulge in the middle. Also my case can hold two CDs on top of each other since the center that hold the CD is quite high and it does not have the "PUSH" text as in yours.
Then the manual. Yours is surely slightly smaller than mine. At the closeup picture at the top left of the manual, you see a small red/brown rectangle. On mine it is wide and is more a square instead of a rectangle. Also at the bottom middle of my manual (first page) there is a red/brown square which is on your manual only a thin rectangle. So your manual is missing a few millimeters of print at both the top and bottom. The physical size of my manual is 241x179 millimeter (folded open).
Your outside cover is also smaller than mine. Above the 3D Stooges text at the side is about 3mm of black space while yours has no black space above it. Also at the front there is about 2mm of purple space above the circle with 3D Stooges in it while at yours the picture is cut off exactly at the top of the circle. Further at the front bottom, below the D of the Jaguar CD logo, there is about 2mm black space while yours has no black space below it.
Then the CD. The CD has a white front and the picture is printed on the CD. The white unprinted ring at the outside is more or less the same width all around (only a little variation) while it seems that on your CD that the white ring varies in width much more. In the front inner ring at the inner edge there is the following code: KE551C0307080. This code is difficult to read because it is in the plastic and has very little contrast. Then at the back, at the inner ring at the end of the blue/greenish die, there is the code: 80 PG1230
Robert
First the blue case. On the inside at the cd side, there is in the upper left corner and in the lower right corner the text "LIFT EDGE OF DISC TO RELEASE". In the lower middle there is a shield with the text "PROTECT DISC". At the inner side of the case is the text "PATENT PENDING". All these texts are missing on the case in your images. Also the shape of the case is different. My case has on the inner side a long thin bulge from top to botton while your case has only a tiny bulge in the middle. Also my case can hold two CDs on top of each other since the center that hold the CD is quite high and it does not have the "PUSH" text as in yours.
Then the manual. Yours is surely slightly smaller than mine. At the closeup picture at the top left of the manual, you see a small red/brown rectangle. On mine it is wide and is more a square instead of a rectangle. Also at the bottom middle of my manual (first page) there is a red/brown square which is on your manual only a thin rectangle. So your manual is missing a few millimeters of print at both the top and bottom. The physical size of my manual is 241x179 millimeter (folded open).
Your outside cover is also smaller than mine. Above the 3D Stooges text at the side is about 3mm of black space while yours has no black space above it. Also at the front there is about 2mm of purple space above the circle with 3D Stooges in it while at yours the picture is cut off exactly at the top of the circle. Further at the front bottom, below the D of the Jaguar CD logo, there is about 2mm black space while yours has no black space below it.
Then the CD. The CD has a white front and the picture is printed on the CD. The white unprinted ring at the outside is more or less the same width all around (only a little variation) while it seems that on your CD that the white ring varies in width much more. In the front inner ring at the inner edge there is the following code: KE551C0307080. This code is difficult to read because it is in the plastic and has very little contrast. Then at the back, at the inner ring at the end of the blue/greenish die, there is the code: 80 PG1230
Robert
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:54 PM
I read through the topic again, and I can't help having a "what if" feeling.
"What if" this whole thing was a set up to get exact information just to know which media was used, just to make exactly the same copies?
The question was asked, the answer's been given' and we never heard from drsreym again.
On the other hand.... "What if" I smoked to much?
"What if" this whole thing was a set up to get exact information just to know which media was used, just to make exactly the same copies?
The question was asked, the answer's been given' and we never heard from drsreym again.
On the other hand.... "What if" I smoked to much?
Edited by Isgoed, Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:57 PM.
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To make a perfect copy you also need a perfect scan of the CD label, manual and case inserts. And making perfect scans requires the original (unless there are already scans floating around that are perfect). And if you have the original, you don't need the information given in this thread to make a perfect copy because you then can see it for yourself.
I'm not an expert on CD-Rs but how easy would it be to find empty 7 year old CD-Rs with the same production number?
But if someone thinks I gave too much information, I can remove it if necessary.
Robert
I'm not an expert on CD-Rs but how easy would it be to find empty 7 year old CD-Rs with the same production number?
But if someone thinks I gave too much information, I can remove it if necessary.
Robert
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Hey Robert, yes that makes sense.
And it's not the information that you particularly gave, but the whole topic in general
And it's not the information that you particularly gave, but the whole topic in general
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:16 AM
The counterfeit Gorf CD did not go unnoticed by Steve (aka Gorf) himself.
I got a message from him with his view on the counterfeit Gorf CD. Because he has no account here, he asked me to post it in this forum:
I got a message from him with his view on the counterfeit Gorf CD. Because he has no account here, he asked me to post it in this forum:
Gorf said:
Here is my take on the whole counterfeit Gorf thing:
First a few corrections:
No black cased Gorf was ever released. It is a lie! There were only the blue and white.
No art work was ever released either.
Gorf (me)was not BANNED from either JSII or AA. He requested his account closed on both.
So for all the typical liars who's only goal is to make me look bad, grow up and get over it.
Now, for those stupid enough not to check with us first, serves you right! It's not like you can not contact
Terrance or Scott even if Im not on the other boards to find out if you are about to be reamed! Truthfully
it's a shame you got scammed but let this be a lesson to all of you! Ask and thou shalt receive.
I've never held back much of anything from anyone who asked.
The other problem is the 'throw caution to the wind' attitude of most of these collectors who are willing
to spend ridiculous amounts of cash for a video game. Hey I appreciate the love for Gorf Classic CD
but really it's not worth all that kind of cash.
Quite honestly, for those with secret torrents of Gorf, I really do not care other than you are a bunch of
sneaky little thieves and you are fooling no one. Fact is, had I not made a verbal agreement with Midway
not to touch Gorf anymore, I'd have already released the game free to the public so other could play.
Shit I may have even made a ROM version for those to burn a copy for themselves who do not have a
Jag CD. However, I can't. A promise is a promise. For those that think this is a condonement to do it:
DON'T! JUST DON'T!
A simple dropping of a note to one of us at 3DSSS before you jump on an auction from now on would do you
all well. Don't get ripped off by these creeps.
Steve
First a few corrections:
No black cased Gorf was ever released. It is a lie! There were only the blue and white.
No art work was ever released either.
Gorf (me)was not BANNED from either JSII or AA. He requested his account closed on both.
So for all the typical liars who's only goal is to make me look bad, grow up and get over it.
Now, for those stupid enough not to check with us first, serves you right! It's not like you can not contact
Terrance or Scott even if Im not on the other boards to find out if you are about to be reamed! Truthfully
it's a shame you got scammed but let this be a lesson to all of you! Ask and thou shalt receive.
I've never held back much of anything from anyone who asked.
The other problem is the 'throw caution to the wind' attitude of most of these collectors who are willing
to spend ridiculous amounts of cash for a video game. Hey I appreciate the love for Gorf Classic CD
but really it's not worth all that kind of cash.
Quite honestly, for those with secret torrents of Gorf, I really do not care other than you are a bunch of
sneaky little thieves and you are fooling no one. Fact is, had I not made a verbal agreement with Midway
not to touch Gorf anymore, I'd have already released the game free to the public so other could play.
Shit I may have even made a ROM version for those to burn a copy for themselves who do not have a
Jag CD. However, I can't. A promise is a promise. For those that think this is a condonement to do it:
DON'T! JUST DON'T!
A simple dropping of a note to one of us at 3DSSS before you jump on an auction from now on would do you
all well. Don't get ripped off by these creeps.
Steve
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I don't know why Gorf felt the need to post his ranty bullshit in an otherwise informative message. Sucks to be him, I guess.
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:16 PM
Punisher5.0, on Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:50 PM, said:
He asked to have his account closed. Gorf was not "banned".
He was close enough to being banned that it doesn't really make much difference. Have you seen the warning level for his account?
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Yeah, that sounds like the ranting and raving of Gorf, allright. A few bricks shy of a house. 
I suspose someone COULD send a message to ask about copy of Gorf being sold at auction, but that's assuming a lot. That you know who to contact, that the person will respond, that someone else won't beat you to the auction, and that the information you get is helpfull.
Bottom line, if someone got scammed they can file a request with EBay/PayPal to get their money back. EBay may be next to impossible for sellers now but it's great if you're a buyer.
I suspose someone COULD send a message to ask about copy of Gorf being sold at auction, but that's assuming a lot. That you know who to contact, that the person will respond, that someone else won't beat you to the auction, and that the information you get is helpfull.
Bottom line, if someone got scammed they can file a request with EBay/PayPal to get their money back. EBay may be next to impossible for sellers now but it's great if you're a buyer.
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