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[Rex Dart]

Combine digital sales & the piracy figures claimed by the RIAA and you'll dwarf CD sales easily...

[Mord]

Rex Dart, on Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM, said:

iswitt, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:25 PM, said:

I use my 360 as a DVD player all the time. In fact, I do not own a DVD player because of this. I like when consoles come with this option. Nintendo probably wasn't getting my money anyway, so I guess for me it doesn't matter. But hypothetically if I were to consider buying a Nintendo console from this or the next generation, it better be able to play my CDs, DVDs and other formats as well. Get with the times!

You keep CDs around and you're telling Nintendo to get with the times

Keeping CDs around do have their advantages, so long as you're buying music from a band that you feel has more than 1 good song on the entire thing. If you're buying a CD of a band that's become known for having a single good song on the CD each time - and that song always being the one pushed on the radio - then you should probably just be getting a (legal) digital download of it. Meanwhile there's no real advantage to once again omitting a feature that's become essentially standard on every other console for the last couple generations. (Beyond not having to pay the licensing fees - but even then the functionaity can be sold as a firmware update these days for those who REALLY want it.)

[sidcrazy]

When I buy a game console, my main purpose is playing games on said console. If it supports anything else that is a plus. But I could care less if it supports any multimedia playback. Especially if it will make the price go up on the console. I am a video game fanatic, so there are where my interests lie.

[iswitt]

Quote

http://www.pastemaga...urpass-cds.html

"...according to Neilsen SoundScan, digital outsold physical music for the first time ever in 2011."

"Combined, these statistics revealed that the digital market surpassed physical media by the narrow margin of 50.3 percent to 49.7 percent."

I stand corrected. Although that is quite a small difference. In any case. I still use CDs and I know a lot of people who do. I also have plenty of digital songs. It all just depends.

[Mord]

Rex Dart, on Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:37 PM, said:

Combine digital sales & the piracy figures claimed by the RIAA and you'll dwarf CD sales easily...

Not hard to do when the RIAA claim piracy damages equal to the GDP of the entire planet.

Seriously.

Edited by Mord, Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:49 AM.

[madmax2069]

Rex Dart, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:02 PM, said:

madmax2069, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM, said:

If i am traveling i don't want to have to lug around two units (one to play games, and one to watch movies), i usually take my 360 with me if i plan to be gone for a while and use it for playing games and watching DVD's. and when and if i get a PS3 i will probably take that instead of the 360 seeing that has the ability to play games, DVD and Bluray. yes its a big deal too me for a system to have these features. Sad as i was going to look into buying a Wii U, if it lacks this i will probably pass on it.

Rip those movies to files beforehand...

LMAO, i do not take my movies, i go and rent from a red box or another movie rental, most of the times where i go has no internet service, so streaming is out of the question. i am not going to waste my time on ripping anything to a file.

[Chris Leach]

just like Nintendo to stay off the cutting edge tech scene.....launch title will Probaly be Mario Kart U!~ remake of old games are amazing..lol...just kidding...I have no interest in buy another new console from nintendo.....just to play all the same old games they have already released...they need something innovative!

[Mendon]

Rex Dart, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:03 PM, said:

I wouldn't mind paying an optional DVD playback license fee to enable it, similar to the original xbox's method.

That's a great idea and a good alternative!


Mendon

[Mendon]

sidcrazy, on Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM, said:

When I buy a game console, my main purpose is playing games on said console. If it supports anything else that is a plus. But I could care less if it supports any multimedia playback. Especially if it will make the price go up on the console. I am a video game fanatic, so there are where my interests lie.

I hear what you are saying and don't disagree. I've often wondered why consoles just don't play games or cell phones don't just make phone calls or wrist watches don't just tell time, etc....

Then I remember that people don't buy car's to just get from Point A to Point B; they have to be a total life experience with televisions, DVD players, Blue Tooth capable, built-in phones, mini-fridges and coffee cup warmers and on and on and on.

Maybe its a sign of the times that customers no longer want one device for one task but want one device that performs many tasks. We're no longer satisfied with a bread machine that only bakes bread or a TV that only receives TV signals or a power drill that just drills holes.


In the end, a system that didn't include CD - DVD - Blu-Ray playback wouldn't automatically be a "non purchase" for me. Neither would the exclusion of backwards compatibility. They are all nice features to have and do eliminate a lot of cords laying around in the living room. But I can live without these features.

I am surprised, though, that with Nintendo seemingly ready to enter firmly into the "HD graphic - Internet powered - digital purchasing" world of today gaming environment that their newest system wouldn't at least allow for the playing of a CD. It still seems weird to me that Nintendo includes a music CD with some of the games/systems I've purchased but I have to seek out a device other than the Wii to play these CD's on.


Mendon

Edited by Mendon, Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:10 AM.

[Reaperman]

Mendon, on Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:32 AM, said:

Rex Dart, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:03 PM, said:

I wouldn't mind paying an optional DVD playback license fee to enable it, similar to the original xbox's method.

That's a great idea and a good alternative! Mendon

Seriously. In this world of downloadable added functionality, just put a dvd player app out on the Wii-u store for a few bucks. I don't even think that it would necessarily require much more from Nintendo than whatever they do to okay a third party app.

So Nintendo said they won't do it themselves, it doesn't mean it won't get done, but it probably means it won't be in firmware or listed as a feature on the packaging. It might just be up to the first person who wants to make a buck to release one. I don't know why I wasn't thinking that way to start with. The puppies helped.

Edited by Reaperman, Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:32 AM.

[godslabrat]

I agree with Mendon and others... lacking CD/DVD/BR doesn't mean I won't purchase the system, but it does seem like a missed opportunity. I like the In other words, movie playback may not be an option, but it would be nice if there were the option to have the option-- like that WiiWare solution idea. Would I pay $20-$30 for the option to turn my WiiU into a BluRay Player? Probably not on Day 1, but if I were in a bind and needed a player, absofreakinglutely.

And yeah, I know Nintendo's philosophy is to play games and only play games, and I respect that. I even agree with it. However, they kind of lost that image when they allowed NetFlix onto the Wii and DS.... and I don't think they're any worse for it.

[onlysublime]

madmax2069, on Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:20 AM, said:

LMAO, i do not take my movies, i go and rent from a red box or another movie rental, most of the times where i go has no internet service, so streaming is out of the question. i am not going to waste my time on ripping anything to a file.

heck of a lot easier carrying MP3s on a phone or MP3 player than carrying CDs. movies are heck of a lot more convenient as well. not only do you avoid stupid DVD menus, trailers, and sheer bulk of DVDs, you get files that are much smaller and more manageable.

[wood_jl]

Several people in this thread "could care less" about DVD/Blueray playback. Remember the "The Caring Continuum:"

[keilbaca]

Emehr, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:40 AM, said:

I think I'm in the minority where I don't care that video game consoles don't play movie discs. I'd rather my console's wear and tear be spent on games. Dedicated DVD and BluRay drives are a dime a dozen.

You're not in the minority. I never play DVD's on game consoles, because I know the laser only last an x amount of years. I have a DVD player to play DVD's, and a game console to play games. If I wanted to watch a movie on my projector, I have a media center box set up, and it streams to my xbox using the media extender.

[Mord]

wood_jl, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM, said:

Several people in this thread "could care less" about DVD/Blueray playback. Remember the "The Caring Continuum:"

I could care less about the caring continuum.

[VW]

Mord, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:35 PM, said:

wood_jl, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM, said:

Several people in this thread "could care less" about DVD/Blueray playback. Remember the "The Caring Continuum:"

I could care less about the caring continuum.

So you like it then?

[BillyHW]

MagitekAngel, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:33 PM, said:

Nintendo said for years that the Wii could not be software-updated to play DVD's, then people hacked it and voila, the Wii plays DVDs!
I think Nintendo's reason for avoiding media playback in their devices is to thwart piracy. Nintendo knew the Wii could read DVDs and presumably kept the functionality disabled for fear that it would make it easier for people to play burned Wii games.
I use my PS3 for movies because it's the only Blu-Ray player in my home, but I don't think I've ever put a DVD in my Xbox 360 - I just load movies and shows up from a USB drive.

Doesn't it have to do more with not wanting to pay royalties to the DVD and Blu-Ray groups?

[rockman_x_2002]

Doesn't affect me. The Wii didn't play DVDs, and I have no less than 9 devices that can play DVDs and three TVs in the house on which to play them.

Last thing in the world I need is yet another device that can play a DVD.

[sidcrazy]

Mendon, on Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM, said:

sidcrazy, on Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM, said:

When I buy a game console, my main purpose is playing games on said console. If it supports anything else that is a plus. But I could care less if it supports any multimedia playback. Especially if it will make the price go up on the console. I am a video game fanatic, so there are where my interests lie.

I hear what you are saying and don't disagree. I've often wondered why consoles just don't play games or cell phones don't just make phone calls or wrist watches don't just tell time, etc....

Then I remember that people don't buy car's to just get from Point A to Point B; they have to be a total life experience with televisions, DVD players, Blue Tooth capable, built-in phones, mini-fridges and coffee cup warmers and on and on and on.

Maybe its a sign of the times that customers no longer want one device for one task but want one device that performs many tasks. We're no longer satisfied with a bread machine that only bakes bread or a TV that only receives TV signals or a power drill that just drills holes.


In the end, a system that didn't include CD - DVD - Blu-Ray playback wouldn't automatically be a "non purchase" for me. Neither would the exclusion of backwards compatibility. They are all nice features to have and do eliminate a lot of cords laying around in the living room. But I can live without these features.

I am surprised, though, that with Nintendo seemingly ready to enter firmly into the "HD graphic - Internet powered - digital purchasing" world of today gaming environment that their newest system wouldn't at least allow for the playing of a CD. It still seems weird to me that Nintendo includes a music CD with some of the games/systems I've purchased but I have to seek out a device other than the Wii to play these CD's on.


Mendon

Who uses a CD player anymore, and DVD is going to way of the Dodo bird. So we are left with BluRay which I have a PS3 for that so...

Remember the HD drive that Microsoft put out for their XBox 360 a couple years ago. Yeah, not a good idea. All those consumers got burned. So I would rather buy something that is more dedicated than having a company waste the money on technology that may not be supported. That is just me IMO.

[Mord]

VW, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM, said:

Mord, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:35 PM, said:

I could care less about the caring continuum.

So you like it then?

That's what I said isn't it?

[Mord]

sidcrazy, on Sat Feb 4, 2012 4:03 PM, said:

Who uses a CD player anymore

I do! For the few bands I'd care to buy anything from, I'd still rather have the CD than buying drmed/watermarked mp3s of questionable quality.

[Atariboy]

BillyHW, on Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:19 PM, said:

MagitekAngel, on Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:33 PM, said:

Nintendo said for years that the Wii could not be software-updated to play DVD's, then people hacked it and voila, the Wii plays DVDs!
I think Nintendo's reason for avoiding media playback in their devices is to thwart piracy. Nintendo knew the Wii could read DVDs and presumably kept the functionality disabled for fear that it would make it easier for people to play burned Wii games.
I use my PS3 for movies because it's the only Blu-Ray player in my home, but I don't think I've ever put a DVD in my Xbox 360 - I just load movies and shows up from a USB drive.

Doesn't it have to do more with not wanting to pay royalties to the DVD and Blu-Ray groups?

Saving on the license fee to the DVD Forum and the Blu-Ray Disc Association to enable video playback is precisely why they did it.

[phaxda]

I don't care if it has playback... I mean, I still use the PS2 for DVDs so that shows how far behind I am.

Totally buying the U because if it gives me a tenth of the fun my Wii has it will be well worth it.

[onlysublime]

man, your expectations are low if 1/10 of the fun you had with the Wii is enough out of a next gen system. I expect a lot more bang out of my buck...

[phaxda]

I have had a holy crap-ton of fun with the Wii; I love the damn thing! 1/10 would be pretty good but half the fun even better. If it is any more fun, I might never leave my house.