Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @Rybags, Here it is with filled-in sprites: tiles-filled-pm-ntsc.xex tiles-filled-pm-pal.xex 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) @CharlieChaplin, Wow, I didn't know about Superpacker. That's really cool. Thanks! There's corrupted pixel in the top left of the sprites in your version. Some artifact of the packer? Could you pack the PAL version as well? Oh, I did not notice this bug. Will try to pack it again. On the disk-image above are both versions - tilen.xex is the NTSC version (loads automatically) and tilep.xex is the PAL version (does not load automatically, boot a DOS first, then load it with binary load). Since the NTSC version also works on PAL (just tested on the emulator) I would release only this version... Here is TeBe`s Superpacker Version 3.3 for the PC which runs fine under Windows. Be aware, that the PC version of Superpacker uses MADS.EXE and your antivirus-program thinks this is a trojan (which is NOT true). Included in the zip-file are some small A8 tools which I use quite often when packing XEX files or making ATR images bootable. Last not least there is also an A8 version named Superpacker by Bewesoft / Jiri Bernasek (the PC version is based on this program afaik), it works good on the A8 but has more limitations and packing with a 1.8Mhz machine takes a little longer than packing on a quadcore 3Ghz machine... -Andreas Koch. superpacker33.zip Edited November 11, 2012 by CharlieChaplin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Yep, HScrol variations can play havoc for this kind of thing. Probably the best solution is to use only the top range ($0C-$0F) which would make the jitter much more managable. The other thing is that high values of HScrol can also lighten the overall DMA load slightly. Timer IRQ would mainly be useful for narrow mode with or without HScrolling - with normal/wide mode you either need to burn cycles or do a WSync anyway so that the changes are outside the visible window but with narrow mode most changes can be done ~ 16 cycles earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @Rybags Wow, it didn't occur to me that high HSCROL values would save DMAs. That's awesome! Low HSCROL: High HSCROL: Maybe now I can fix the discoloration on the right side of the screen where I pushed the color changes sooner to avoid missing the WSYNC deadline on badlines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @CharlieChaplin I played with sp33 some and it's amazing. I would love to have a command-line version though. I'll work on aggregating some of the smaller segments as you did to be more amenable to compression. I actually was doing that at one point thinking I would use fox's inflate routine but I deferred that while getting other things working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fixed discoloration on right of screen: https://github.com/lybrown/tiles/tree/master/binaries Thanks again to Rybags, lord of VSCROL and HSCROL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fixed discoloration on right of screen: https://github.com/l...master/binaries Thanks again to Rybags, lord of VSCROL and HSCROL. Nice results, but the latest binaries won't run on any emulation here. Does it run on a real machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @emkay Good question. I haven't tried on a real machine yet. I'd be interested to know if it works. I tried to accommodate the OS instead of relying on SIO patches. I'm also interested to know if I got the VSCROL technique right on PAL since I don't wait until the last scan line of the first mode line to set it. The latest .atr and .xex files work for me on Altirra and Atari800Win Plus 4.0. What symptoms do you see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @emkay Good question. I haven't tried on a real machine yet. I'd be interested to know if it works. I tried to accommodate the OS instead of relying on SIO patches. I'm also interested to know if I got the VSCROL technique right on PAL since I don't wait until the last scan line of the first mode line to set it. The latest .atr and .xex files work for me on Altirra and Atari800Win Plus 4.0. What symptoms do you see? That latest files cause the Win800plu 4 to do nothing and Altirra crashes.... alike which settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Works on the latest Altirra posted in Avery's thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 @emkay Hmm, not sure. For Atari800Win Plus 4.0 you have to use the /run command-line option, drag and drop, Autoboot image or Load executable. Windows Open With doesn't work. It thinks its a disk. I can only get it to crash in Altirra if I set the memory size less than 48K. It works but displays garbage if you select less than 128K or OS-A/B. I added a the ability to set luminance with the Option key. Binaries here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's weird. In IE10 the latest files only want to get saved in html In firefox, the files get the right extension, but, as it seems the content isn't right. https://github.com/lybrown/tiles/tree/master/binaries Only the files from the direct download tab work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creature XL Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 This game (engine) looks surprisingly good. I use timer IRQs for my 16col experiment (see profile pic ). Works perfect. However, didn't tested scrolling and such. Busy with other things. Wouldn't be surprised if Abbuc Contest 2013 is filled with Lynx conversions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JAC! Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Really great job Xuel. How about adding VCS style line wise coloring to the sprite? Since the horizontal position is quite fixed (or at least in the middle range) you could spare some LDA #/STA/STA/STA. Edited November 12, 2012 by JAC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 @emkay Make sure you left click on the links on the download page which will take you to another page. On that page click on View Raw or the Raw button. Don't use right click -> Save As on the first page or else you'll be saving the HTML for the second page. @Creature XL Thanks! I'll have to give the timer IRQs a shot. @JAC! That's a definite possibility. Rybag's reduced HSCROL DMA technique leaves lots of extra cycles. The four players could even have different gradients. Or the players could be overlapped for 3-color mode if the hero width is reduced. I am not a great artist though, so I'd need work with somebody on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popmilo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Wow! Thanks for showing such a good example of how something serious can look like in this mode! Sound is also great, you even had time for sound effects. ps. Readme.md on Github repo is one of the best I read recently !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 @emkay Make sure you left click on the links on the download page which will take you to another page. On that page click on View Raw or the Raw button. Don't use right click -> Save As on the first page or else you'll be saving the HTML for the second page. LOL Save XEX to have HTML and save RAW to have XEX. Next time I go to a Restaurant, ordering a Rumpsteak and get some Burger. Well, the result is really nice. Big objects used on fullscreen. That's the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 well. just had a go with the XEX and I am suprised how it works well. I guess the TV version is on youtube. But first thought that it was streaming stuff like the first tests. And the HSCROL high values for better DMA... any ideas why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I was a little optomistic - the big savings are if you're in Wide DMA mode + Hscrolling. If in narrow or normal mode the savings aren't quite so good. What happens is that Antic stops doing screen DMA at a certain point, if you have a large HScrol value then the cutoff point is more likely to occur. Also, the DMA starts later so you have more cycles at the left of screen. This comes in handy since the common practice is to try and preload registers, then just burn cycles with WSync before doing the register stores. The Altirra HW manual has a good graphic illustration of how it all works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Hi. Xuel as I don't have a way to acess even an Emulator can you (or other) kindly post an A8 screen 336x240pixels '.png' here, any part... Something I am trying to see that isn't possible on the YouTube video. Thanks. Edited November 12, 2012 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 @José Pereira Here's one from the latest build: There are some older ones on github. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 @José Pereira Here's one with no artifacting so you can see the exact bitmap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 @popmilo Thanks! I owe all inspiration to your first pictures in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Just get a P.C. for show an idea I had and used quickly PAINT: You're changing three registers each scanline: Blue, Red and Green. If each it's LDA/STA=7cycles then you're wasting 21cycles. You get colour more three luminances because of the two Grays and Wgite on the luma scanlines. But you also get Sky with scanlines. My idea: -> Black and sky colour Blue it's all high the same (colour,luminance) and Sky looks better, I think... -> THEN only 2x7cycles=14cycles only on red and Greens But you still have, Blue colour with more three luminances (from Black, one Gray and White) -> In a 200 scanlines high screen 7cycles less x 200 scanlines= 1400cycles more for soft sprites (around 70bytes more for soft sprite masking) Xuel: you're using, I think 3Players for the guy. Can you post me the guy in 2x1 ratio and original colours frames to see if I can get it coloured on a8 with 4PMGs Multicolour. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Sorry delected because it was wrong. Edited November 12, 2012 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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