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[Stephen]

DarkLord, on Sat May 19, 2012 7:01 AM, said:

Stephen, on Fri May 18, 2012 8:14 PM, said:

OMG - thanks so much for the mention of ANSI Term. You have saved my eyes! Try TAZ with your BBS and you will have a seizure. 30Hz flicker (screen flipping to get the 16 colours). I have no idea how ANSI Term is doing 16 colours in medium rez mode without flicker?

Probably (I'm guessing) some of the same techniques that games and software like Spectrum 512 and Photochrome use.

You have seen Photochrome pictures on the ST, right?

I have. However, I noticed last night that ANSITerm is using the same "trick" that Ice-T XE does on the 8-bit for 80 columns (4X8 font), and it runs in lo-res mode.

[DarkLord]

Ah, so that's it. Well, its effective, I'll give them that.

Photochrome is freaking amazing. I think they put more colors on scan lines than
is normally possible. Again, however they do it, the result is awesome, thousands
of colors in pictures from a machine that's supposed to be 16 colors at best.

[DarkLord]

Okay, just for the fun of it, I posted this problem to the techs at Lantronix. Here is the first response:

(first line after the "Hi Ronald" made me laugh)...

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Hi Ronald,

Atari ST, eh? I need to fire up the old Amiga 500, then.

Do you have telnet server mode turned on on either the UDS-10 or UDS1100? This would equate to disconnect mode 40 in the telnet configuration under Channel Settings.

Normally, when you see something like this, it is a mismatch. It is either the protocols that both sides of the connection are using over the network (telnet to TCP or vice versa) or at the far ends (the terminal program and the BBS using different terminal emulations).

If you are tunneling between UDS's and the connection is RAW, we do not alter a thing. We send exactly what comes in the serial port over to the other side and the other side sends exactly what it got from the network packet.

Can you telnet to both units on port 9999 and send the screen that comes up right after hitting enter? It shows a summary of the configuration.
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I just did that, posted the summary's for both the UDS10 and UDS1100.

I'll wait and see what they have to say about it.

[DarkLord]

Okay, I've been trying to check to see if I've got the latest revisions on each UDS.

I *think* I've got the latest revision on the UDS1100 (its firmware page is a bit confusing), its currently:

Software version V6.5.0.0 (070402)

Now it looks like the UDS10 is not the latest though:

Software version V5.8.0.1 (041112) LTX

is what it's showing, and I just downloaded the latest revision which is the "ltx5805.rom".

Now I've got to try to remember how I updated the last time since I don't have Windows.

I'm thinking I used tftp under Linux. More homework...

[DarkLord]

Yeah, okay - that was how I did it before. I sudo apt-get installed tfpt just now
and used it to update both the rom and cob files on the UDS10.

It's fully updated to the latest firmware now.

[DarkLord]

Okay, here is their next response:

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Have you tried this setup with a RAW connection instead of telnet? A tunnel between two UDSs should generally not be a telnet connection because they are both servers, neither are a client. It can make for some odd results with regard to negotiating the connection. Change bit 6 to 0 on both sides of the connection and see what happens.
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Wasn't sure about "bit 6" so I asked and they said do this:

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In the case of your configuration, you would change the Disconnect Mode from C0 to 80.
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Well, I tried that. I changed the Disconnect Mode on both the UDS10 and UDS1100 from C0 to 80.

First off, it then made funky characters appear even under my Linux telnet sessions, as well as
showing double characters for everthing I typed in.

With the UDS10 to the UDS1100, it caused the funky characters to appear both before AND after
all your keypresses.

I sent this to Lantronix and I've not got an update on that yet, so I reverted both Disconnect Mode
settings on the UDS10 and 1100 back to C0.

Oh, I tried switching C0 and 80 around on the two UDS's, just to see and it still gave some funky
characters either way.

It does seem (though odd to me) that Disconnect Mode has some bearing on this, because when
you change it, it does change what shows up on each key press. Now if I could find a setting for it
that does away with anything besides the actual keypress itself being shown...

[Stephen]

Interesting. Thanks for still looking at this. Let me know if there is anything else I can test for you.

[Marius1976]

Hi Darklord!

A few posts ago I wrote you about the two different ports on the MSS100. Port 2001 and 3001. Port 3001 gives a RAW connection, and port 2001 a Telnet (or vice versa). I wrote (IIRC) that the heart problem I have (see screenshots) is solved when I use the RAW connection, in stead of telnet. Problem with RAW connection is that you can not have a binary transfer.

So the main question is now: how do you realise a raw connection on your setup, since it does not have these two ports.

Perhaps the idea of that 'disconnection bit' is extra, undocumented features ... so it does not really has something to do with disconnection.

I think it is really worth a try to try further on with that RAW/Telnet thing.

Greetz
M.

[DarkLord]

Marius1976, on Tue May 22, 2012 4:42 PM, said:

Hi Darklord!

A few posts ago I wrote you about the two different ports on the MSS100. Port 2001 and 3001. Port 3001 gives a RAW connection, and port 2001 a Telnet (or vice versa). I wrote (IIRC) that the heart problem I have (see screenshots) is solved when I use the RAW connection, in stead of telnet. Problem with RAW connection is that you can not have a binary transfer.

So the main question is now: how do you realise a raw connection on your setup, since it does not have these two ports.

Perhaps the idea of that 'disconnection bit' is extra, undocumented features ... so it does not really has something to do with disconnection.

I think it is really worth a try to try further on with that RAW/Telnet thing.

Greetz
M.

Have to check this out and see if there is something in the guide.

Thanks!

[DarkLord]

Turns out that my UDS1100 wasn't quite up to date on the latest firmware, but
I updated that this evening so both UDS10 and UDS1100 are both running with
the latest firmware revisions now.

EDIT: Oh, didn't make any difference either - still get the same funky "j'" stuff.

[DarkLord]

Stephen, on Tue May 22, 2012 4:16 PM, said:

Interesting. Thanks for still looking at this. Let me know if there is anything else I can test for you.

No problem - high time I got around to actually calling my Atari based BBS with an actual <cough> Atari.

I'm having trouble getting "out" to other systems. I've got the gateway set to 192.168.1.1, which is
what my router is set to, so it should be okay. I've got no restrictions on the ip address that the
UDS10 is using (192.168.1.102) so I'm not sure what it's doing.

Does Marius's BBS have a port number you have to use? I tried to find one in his posts but didn't see
any. I tried just dialing his IP, 82.169.239.74 but that didn't work. I tried it with port 23, and 10001 also.

Thanks.

EDIT: Well, I went to the telnet BBS guide page and picked random entries from there. As long as they
had a port listed, I could logon to them with my UDS10/STacy., so it is getting out, so don't know what
the problem is with Atari-Inside (Marius). Maybe I just don't have the right port, eh?

[Stephen]

DarkLord, on Wed May 23, 2012 4:53 PM, said:

Stephen, on Tue May 22, 2012 4:16 PM, said:

Interesting. Thanks for still looking at this. Let me know if there is anything else I can test for you.

No problem - high time I got around to actually calling my Atari based BBS with an actual <cough> Atari.

I'm having trouble getting "out" to other systems. I've got the gateway set to 192.168.1.1, which is
what my router is set to, so it should be okay. I've got no restrictions on the ip address that the
UDS10 is using (192.168.1.102) so I'm not sure what it's doing.

Does Marius's BBS have a port number you have to use? I tried to find one in his posts but didn't see
any. I tried just dialing his IP, 82.169.239.74 but that didn't work. I tried it with port 23, and 10001 also.

Thanks.

EDIT: Well, I went to the telnet BBS guide page and picked random entries from there. As long as they
had a port listed, I could logon to them with my UDS10/STacy., so it is getting out, so don't know what
the problem is with Atari-Inside (Marius). Maybe I just don't have the right port, eh?

I'll have to try his BBS this evening. It's usually 23 when none of specified, and I see you manually entered that.

[DarkLord]

Stephen, on Thu May 24, 2012 8:57 AM, said:

I'll have to try his BBS this evening. It's usually 23 when none of specified, and I see you manually entered that.

Yep, ended up trying 23, 10001, and 8888 just for the fun of it.

I have no problems at all connecting to his board with telnet under Linux.

[thgill]

Thinking about getting a Lantronix MSS-100 off of eBay.

Good choice for Atari use?

[DarkLord]

thgill, on Thu May 24, 2012 10:19 AM, said:

Thinking about getting a Lantronix MSS-100 off of eBay.

Good choice for Atari use?

Hey guy. I've never used the MSS models, only the UDS ones.

But everything I've read says that all the Lantronix devices do good.

If I remember right (and I think Stephen just posted something about
this not too long ago), the MSS models will do DNS lookup. In other
words, instead of typing in "atdt173.80.218.58,23", you'd just type
in atdt darkforce-bbs.dyndns,.org, or something similar.

At Lantronix's web site, the MSS models are considerably more
expensive than the UDS models. Hope you get a good deal on
yours!

[thgill]

There is a seller on eBay selling used MSS-100s for like $36 shipped. With PSU.


Seems like a good deal.

[Stephen]

thgill, on Thu May 24, 2012 9:00 PM, said:

There is a seller on eBay selling used MSS-100s for like $36 shipped. With PSU.


Seems like a good deal.

That's a great price! Get one, you'll like it.

[DarkLord]

Sure does sound good.

Here is a link to Lantronix's web page for this product - you can look it over.

http://www.lantronix...ers/mss100.html

[Marius1976]

Did you get eventually on my Board with your UDS10?

It is port 23 indeed btw.

Perhaps someone else was online?

p.s. darklord I will mail you the requested file soon...

[DarkLord]

Marius1976, on Fri May 25, 2012 3:28 AM, said:

Did you get eventually on my Board with your UDS10?

It is port 23 indeed btw.

Perhaps someone else was online?

p.s. darklord I will mail you the requested file soon...

Not yet - haven't tried in a day or 2 - I'll try again, and thanks!

[DarkLord]

Stephen, did you ever hook your UDS10 up to your 8bit and see what it does there when you
connect to DarkForce?

I'd just be curious as what it does...reason being, I'm fairly sure that Doc Clu has been using
one of the Lantronix devices to call us with his 8bit (although I'm not sure which Lantrononix
he's using), and I can't remember him ever mentioning a "j'" problem.

Thanks!

[DarkLord]

That guy has something like -32- MS100's for sale. I went ahead and bought one too.

It's $34.99 *shipped* from Ohio.

As soon as I get it in, I'll try it in place of the UDS10 and see if there is a difference.

[Stephen]

DarkLord, on Fri May 25, 2012 10:16 AM, said:

Stephen, did you ever hook your UDS10 up to your 8bit and see what it does there when you
connect to DarkForce?

I'd just be curious as what it does...reason being, I'm fairly sure that Doc Clu has been using
one of the Lantronix devices to call us with his 8bit (although I'm not sure which Lantrononix
he's using), and I can't remember him ever mentioning a "j'" problem.

Thanks!

I will try this, but I'll have to string a long ass network cable across the room. I should have some time this weekend to play on the Ataris.