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[CPUWIZ]

MacGurl said:

Wow, that sounds really weird coming from me.  

Yes.

[MacGurl]

I do have it in me somewhere really really deep down to be a nice girl...it just doesn't come out very often. In all honesty, I'm tired of all the bickering..we should all just love each other

[MegaManFan]

I agree. I really hate seeing console wars on AtariAge of all places; dare I say it I think we're better than that. I may not like the X-Box, but that doesn't mean it's not a good system or that I think people who own one shouldn't have fun gaming with it. Some people may not like GameCube, but I hope they're reasonable enough to understand it's a good console and there's no reason I shouldn't have fun with it. Really, with today's generation of technology, it's increasingly hard to distinguish between them anyway. Game reviewers have made a business out of noticing very minute differences in the resolution differences between the multiple versions of Splinter Cell, but if you're sitting 20 feet away playing it on a 20 inch screen can you tell? Does Madden 200X really look that much different on any of them, or sound that much better or worse? Not to my eyes or ears. I think the reason you choose a console these days has nothing to do with power or performance; it has to do with whether it has enough titles you want to play to justify the initial investment. For some people that's an X-Box, for some that's a PS2, for some that's a Cube. Since I own the latter 2 out of 3, me not owning an X-Box at this point is just a practical choice considering I don't need another console to buy expensive games for, especially considering there are so few on it I want to play. For other people that's not the case, and I wouldn't deign to call anybody stupid or misguided for that choice. At the end of the day, no matter what console we're playing on, we're ALL gamers.

[kisrael]

PuddWakkr said:

To me it seems like nintendo is more concerned with finding different ways to use the GBA with GC than it is with putting out more kick ass game sfor the GC. I thought the reason you bought a GBA was to play it on the go. I can see using it on some games but to actually hype up that as a big feature...yippee! That excites me not at all.  

Yeah, you have a point. I don't agree with your first sentence, but overall, GBA connectivity seems way overhyped. I don't know if they do it to sell more GBAs, or more GCs, or what. I'd like to get a GBA someday, because of Metroid Fusion and a few other titles, but I'd rather get that thing that turns a GC into a GBA...except then I can't use the tie-ins.

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What does look good is great games like FZero GX and 1080 Avalanche. Too bad almost every game coming out is a sequel of some kind. I thought nintendo was known for it's originality but I guess I thought wrong.

Actually, I think for some time now Nintendo's reputation is based on making great games that continue their existing franchises more than coming up with new lines. New series are added only slowly; Smash Brothers a few years back, Pikmin.

[kisrael]

MegaManFan said:

I agree.  I really hate seeing console wars on AtariAge of all places; dare I say it I think we're better than that.  I may not like the X-Box,

Maybe it was my fault for the title of the thread and all...
but I'm really not a big RULEZ!!!!/SUX!!!! kind of guy. All of the systems are very decent right now.

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noticing very minute differences in the resolution differences between the multiple versions of Splinter Cell, but if you're sitting 20 feet away playing it on a 20 inch screen can you tell?  

20 inch screen? I'm sorry....

Seriously, wasn't Splinter Cell the one where they really did cut down the shadow and lighting effects for the other systems? Some of the comparison screenshots were really noticable, whole parts of the architecture had to be dumbed down because of the engine.

[CPUWIZ]

What do you expect, that is the Unreal engine, which was designed originally for PC usage not for consoles ?

[Bratwurst]

kisrael, if you're looking for a recent FPS with the flavour of a Doom-blast-em-all-a-thon, check out Serious Sam 1 and 2.. they're on the X-Box, granted, but PC too.

As for the GBA connectivity, I took one look at the E-Reader, the Gamecube link cable, etc etc and deemed them all useless. The connectivity features for every game out so far could have simply been already implemented without having to shell out extra cash and goofy peripherals.

[Foxy Cleopatra]

Oh, I'm not laughing at anyone, I'm laughing at Nintendo for rehashing the N64 line-up... again..

I've seen alot of games in my time and Halo2 looks amazing. Sure I'm biased, but come on. And Ninja Gaiden graphically looks beautiful. I'll refrain comment on game play as of course I haven't played it yet.

And console wars... there isn't one... it would be like Kent State football playing Ohio State football.. no contest

@kisreal really you flatter me... giving so much weight to my opinion that you have to call me names
I'm not trying to "win" a discussion, I don't have to. You go on and think Xbox is facing some kind of competition from Nintendo. It's not. If I were a Nintendo fanboy such as yourself, I would be extremelly pissed off at the options placed before me. Loyalty is commendable, blind loyalty that's another story..

[kisrael]

Foxy Cleopatra said:

Oh, I'm not laughing at anyone, I'm laughing at Nintendo for rehashing the N64 line-up... again..

You were laughing at someone who said "Nintendo blows them away at E3, that's pretty clear from your comments.

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And console wars... there isn't one... it would be like Kent State football playing Ohio State football.. no contest

PS2 is kicking both of our system's asses saleswise, and their premier exclusive line, GTA, stands up VERY well against Halo and Rogue Leader.

[Foxy Cleopatra]

kisreal I don't care about quantity, it's quality that counts.
So for me the PS2 doesn't count...

[kisrael]

"Quantity is its own quality" --Lenin.
And it is, to a certain extent, true.
Still, it comes down to the exclusive titles, and all 3 systems have experiences you won't get on the other systems.

[CPUWIZ]

[kisrael]

CPUWIZ said:

 

Wait, that's the colors of UNO, isn't it?

And to be fair, this isn't a System A vs. System B flame war.
It's more System A vs "A B and C are all pretty good, though I like B a bit better".

[MacGurl]

Good Lord. We have all the systems in our house, and the XBox never gets played. We'll be buying our own soon so that it can be modded, but we'll probably just mostly play the old games on it so we don't have to lug out all of the systems.

Why can't some of you just understand that what's important to you as a gamer may not be important to others? I could care less about gaming online, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to game online. That's what we have a PC & a Mac for. I don't like 90% of the games out for the XBox or the PS2, in fact I see the XBox gaming taking the direction of the PS2, a bunch of shit titles just to make the library bigger.

Some people think the XBox is the greatest thing on earth. These comparisons to football teams, etc is just fueling the fire. It doesn't really matter who likes what, we're all here because we like to game. Let's try being a little mature for a change and respecting each others opinions enough not to belittle what each other likes.

[Starscream]

kisrael said:

CPUWIZ said:

 

Wait, that's the colors of UNO, isn't it?

And to be fair, this isn't a System A vs. System B flame war.
It's more System A vs "A B and C are all pretty good, though I like B a bit better".

I didn't even think this was a war

I just checked out all of the E3 wrap up reports and I gotta say, there are some killer games coming out this year. Sony of course has a buttload of games coming out and quite a few look like serious kick ass games. Syphon Filter: Omega Strain sounds pretty amazing. You can tell quite a bit of thought was put into and it seems it'll be executed quite well. Socom 2 sounds like it's been much improved and should be a blast. Of course, you have GT4 and Final Fantasy XI. And hopefully, a new Transformers game will make it to the US

Xbox has quite a few things that seem pretty impressive. Halo 2 of course, Doom 3, Steel Battalion:Line Of Contact (woohooo Online!!) Grabbed By Ghoulies, and Ninja Gaiden.

Nintendo has the New Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, a few more Resident Evils, F Zero GX, Mario Cart: DD, and a couple more Capcom games - P.N.03 and Viewtiful Joe. And way too many GB games to even list

I'm sure there are quite a few I missed for each one, but overall, everyone here can find something they are looking forward to

For online gaming, hands down, Microsoft owns. There are so many online games coming out or games with at least download content that the Live price of $50 a year is more than worth it. Plus the new Live 2.0, sounds interesting if thats your thing. Sony is actually getting in to online quite a bit in the future as well and being that most server issues have been taken care of, they should have no problem kicking ass. Then there's Nintendo......nothing. Well, the new GC exclusive Phantasy Star is it really. This is sad. Mario Kart DD could have really kicked online gaming on the GC into overdrive (or drive in this case).I see some on here don't care about online gaming, and that's great, but some of us do care. It is a nice option to have available if you want to do it. As MMF pointed out, linking GC and getting enough TVs together to play multi player would be cool but a hassle as well. If Nintendo would get their heads out of their asses, there would be no hassle. I see that some people don't care about online because they wanna play with friends and talk. You could do that online and it's just as fun. Too bad Nintendo doesn't even care about that.

I don't care who says the Xbox sucks and that there are no good games blah, blah, blah.... The ONLY company I see right now pushing the envelope of console gaming to the limits is Microsoft. The Xbox has the most capabilities available and they are being used. Argue that all you want, you will not be able to prove otherwise. Sony is comfortible and needs to do nothing so don't expect them to do anything great. Keep in mind when I speak of Nintendo, I am talking about the GC, not their handheld market - Nintendo is pretty much making it so they will gain no new significant customer base. Aside from old proven titles being remade and a few decent GC only titles, there is nothing that the GC doesn't have that I can't already play on my N64. And as no slam to anyone who loves Nintendo, I am very glad that the industry does not have to follow their lead.

I see on here it's acceptable to hate Microsoft but not acceptable to dislike Nintendo. Well, we are all gamers. To worship Nintendo because they are Nintendo is as useless as hating MS because they are MS. It's about the games. YOU are the one missing out if you can't see that......

[kisrael]

Starscream said:

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And to be fair, this isn't a System A vs. System B flame war.
It's more System A vs "A B and C are all pretty good, though I like B a bit better".

I didn't even think this was a war

Right, not "War"; "Uno". (har har)

I went back and read some of the comments about Nintendo; despite enthusiasm for Rebel Strike, Mario Kart, and F-Zero, the consensus seems to be that it was a pretty lackluster showing for Nintendo.

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Syphon Filter: Omega Strain sounds pretty amazing. You can tell quite a bit of thought was put into and it seems it'll be executed quite well. Socom 2 sounds like it's been much improved and should be a blast. Of course, you have GT4 and Final Fantasy XI. And hopefully, a new Transformers game will make it to the US

I hate the stealth/"realistic" tactical combat genres. Dull as dishwater to me. I'm really intrigued by that Transformers title; (though for nostalgic reasons I wish it used only the 80s designs for the robots) Is it not slated for US release?

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For online gaming, hands down, Microsoft owns.  

You know, I really hate the term "owns".
What was so bad about "rules"? I mean, if the other systems are so weak online (which they are), why would Microsoft want to own them anyway?

(yeah I know where the term comes from, online gaing smacktalk, but I don't think it makes nearly as much sense out of that context.)

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I don't care who says the Xbox sucks and that there are no good games blah, blah, blah.... The ONLY company I see right now pushing the envelope of console gaming to the limits is Microsoft.

You're right. they are acting "hungrier" than either of the other systems.
BUT, it still seems like a super high shovelware/solid hit ratio to me, just like in the old PS1 vs N64 days.

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I see on here it's acceptable to hate Microsoft but not acceptable to dislike Nintendo. Well, we are all gamers. To worship Nintendo because they are Nintendo is as useless as hating MS because they are MS. It's about the games. YOU are the one missing out if you can't see that......

I don't think it's fair to say it's acceptable to hate Microsoft but not dislike Nitendo here...I think a lot of people just resent the "hate" in general. There have been more people with a friendly "hey, all the systems are alright", have their own strengths and weaknesses...but it seems that a few fans (mostly of the x-box) can't accept that much praise for the competing systems.

[CPUWIZ]

Once and for all:

PS2 = SHIT
GameCube = SHIT
XBOX = SHIT

they all suck and every new console will as well.

[PuddWakkr]

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they all suck and every new console will as well.  
 
 

What console do you like? I bet I can run it on my box.

[Starscream]

[quote=kisrael][quote=Starscream]
[quote=kisrael]You're right. they are acting "hungrier" than either of the other systems.
BUT, it still seems like a super high shovelware/solid hit ratio to me, just like in the old PS1 vs N64 days.[/quote]

That is debatable depending on what you like. The Xbox seems more geared towards realistic type games or any assortment of multi player games. Maybe more adult style games.....Example, I sold my GC because there are no "solid hit" games on it to me, just shovelware. So you see, depending on what you like, the same could be said about any of them and it's pretty pointless already.

[quote name='kisrael]I don't think it's fair to say it's acceptable to hate Microsoft but not dislike Nintendo here...I think a lot of people just resent the "hate" in general. There have been more people with a friendly "hey' date=' all the systems are alright", have their own strengths and weaknesses...but it seems that a few fans (mostly of the x-box) can't accept that much praise for the competing systems.[/quote']

Here I will disagree. I see more GC fans on here than any other modern system. The Nintendo fans seem a little less tolerant and biased than others. It could be because Nintendo is "video games" much like Atari is/was. They have a rich history and have done some very remarkable things. Once again, that does not make them the greatest no matter what. Also, I have seen a few proclaim that they are "Nintendo fanboys" and it's cool, but if you claim to be an "Xbox or PS2 fanboy", you are evil and ignorant and like the system with "shit" games I don't really see too many Xbox fans post as much. In fact, someone had started a thread maybe 6 months ago complaining about hearing about the Xbox and told everyone that they were tired of hearing about it. I have yet to see anyone try to discourage any GC or PS2 discussions......

[CPUWIZ]

PuddWakkr said:

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they all suck and every new console will as well.  
 
 

What console do you like? I bet I can run it on my box.

It has to be 4 dimensional and it must have thought process analyzation.

[Starscream]

CPUWIZ said:

PuddWakkr said:

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they all suck and every new console will as well.  
 
 

What console do you like? I bet I can run it on my box.

It has to be 4 dimensional and it must have thought process analyzation.

Well, you know it won't be female

[Yar]

CPUWIZ said:

PuddWakkr said:

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they all suck and every new console will as well.  
 
 

What console do you like? I bet I can run it on my box.

It has to be 4 dimensional and it must have thought process analyzation.

Thought process analyzation is for F4G0TS! Indepent brainwave implants r0x0rz!

[CPUWIZ]

Actually, I changed my mind, I want a friggin holodeck.

[kisrael]

Starscream said:

No not yet:(. although, it is based on the original TF's  

Yeah, but the way they're drawn nowadays is a bit different, the styling of Optimus Prime and what not.

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Here I will disagree. I see more GC fans on here than any other modern system. The Nintendo fans seem a little less tolerant and biased than others.

After I wrote that one thing, I remembered the one person who wrote "we have all 3 but Xbox sits unplugged." But I'd say on this thread, the Xbox contigent has been a lot more obnoxious.

[Foxy Cleopatra]

The thing is it is so obvious that so many people on here insult the XBox and the people here who support it for the simple fact that they hate Microsoft and Bill Gates. (Now that's mature.) They can say all they want that there aren't any games on the system that impress them or that they want to play but that is just "begging the question" (Thank You INKY! ).

You, and you know who you are, won't even give the system a chance because of your attitude.
MS is bad, MS makes Xbox, therefore Xbox is bad.
Just because you think it does not make it so.
And I will reiterate what Starscream said, God forbid you say anything good about the Xbox on here. For every one person that backs you up, there are 20 people waiting to slam you and belittle you and the Xbox.

So I refuse to pull my punches anymore. Neither current system can hold a candle to the power and versatility of the Xbox. I think the term "owns" is very apropros. And before anyone says it's not being utilized, take a good hard look at the games out there. Do I see Steel Battalion on any of the other systems or PC? Why was Splinter Cell dumbed down for the PS2 and GC? Why did ID say the Xbox is the only system capable of delivering Doom 3 in it's current state? By maintaining blind brand loyalty, and limiting yourself because of bias, YOUR the one missing advanced gaming options. If your satisfied great. I however expect more, because I'm worth it.


I got back into gaming when my son got the PS for his 4th birthday and I was amazed at how far gaming had come since the Genesis, which was the last system I had seriously played.
Parasite Eve, Driver, Castlevania: Symphony are some of the most fun I have had.
And we had a PS2 before we got the XBox and I was excited to play GT3.
I was pretty impressed.
Then we got the Xbox, and I began to realize how much Sony really ripped me off.