M/S have done their best to try and make the Xbox as much unlike a PC as possible (quite impressive acheivement seeing as it is a PC).
There must be some good reasons for this.....
I think it is a business reason, they probably looked at how well Sony was doing with the gaming console market and thought 'we could have some of that selling what we already deal with. We have the expertise and experience in online stuff. And all without direct competition to our other business (PC).'
And for someone to offer 100k there must be something in it for them, if it can be used as a cheap PC. So there clearly is a demand for Linux to run on the Box. And it may burst M/Ss bubble.
I personally bought my Box for gaming and am quite happy with it unmodified and as M/S wished it to be. Although I can see the thrill in seeing how far the rabbit hole goes as it were, if I did have a modified Box (or one running Linux).
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Microsoft Being Blackmailed
Started by NovaXpress, Jun 27 2003 2:50 PM
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Posted Mon Jun 30, 2003 4:55 PM
Clock said:
I personally bought my Box for gaming and am quite happy with it unmodified and as M/S wished it to be. Although I can see the thrill in seeing how far the rabbit hole goes as it were, if I did have a modified Box (or one running Linux).
Ditto.
Gaming and DVD's are the only things I use mine for. I wouldn't even TRY to play with Linux anyway. Not after the trouble it's given me already.
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Posted Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:10 PM
Clock said:
I personally bought my Box for gaming and am quite happy with it unmodified and as M/S wished it to be. Although I can see the thrill in seeing how far the rabbit hole goes as it were, if I did have a modified Box (or one running Linux).
My Xbox in the basement is just how M$ intended it to be. All it gets used for is watching movies. My box upstairs however is definetly not what M$ intended. I don't run Linux on my Xbox. Why? I play games on it. If you need a PC that runs Linux cheap you can do that now. I don't get what the big deal is. It costs $40 for a modchip. That's it. So I guess it would be cheaper for someone to spend $49.99+ tax for an official Linux boot disc than a $40 chip that can do all that plus more. Maybe I'm missing something here. Please point it out to me. Why would I want a Linux boot disc?
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Posted Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:17 PM
The real question is: Why is someone prepared to pay out 100k for linux to run on an Xbox?
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Posted Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:53 PM
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The real question is: Why is someone prepared to pay out 100k for linux to run on an Xbox?
publicity to show that they can do "harm" and bother Microsoft? thats what i would guess - that seems like a real waste of money -
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[quote=JagHammer]hmmm well xcuse me- i didnt had no idea what could be done- after all it was only made to be gaming console for home and online play 
Sorry, but your "why would anyone want to do whatever because I don't, and I think it's stupid" is very counter productive and impairs advancement.
Just because whatever is designed and marketed with one specific purpose doesn't automaticly exclude any other suitable use.
Xbox was designed to be a gaming console. Yeah, basicly. In as much as if MicroSoft tried to market a PC, they would get slapped with another anti-trust lawsuit. Nor would marketing a PC make sence if you are trying to get into the game-console market.
Lets say I bought all the PC hardware & junk needed to build a killer game machine, have it load whatever OS, and auto-start a joypad controlled menu system to run whatever games I have installed on it. Put in a TV out card, pop-rivit the case closed, then sell it with only a Joypad and power cable. Does that automaticly mean that this machine should not be used for anything else?
Would we be having the same debate back in the early and mid 80's during the days of 800XL hacking?
"Hey, the Atari 800XL was meant to have 4 channel mono sound, 64k ram and use floppy drives. Why would anyone want to add a second Pokey or extra memory, or connect a Harddrive to it? You want more memory, buy a 130XE." Or even the more shocking bios replacements (like my UltraSpeed/OS). "My god, who would want faster IO speeds, or more accurate math, or convienent built in features. That's not what Atari intended."
And of course chainsaws were meant to cut up logs, not create ice sculptures, and so on and so fourth.
It's about using whatever you have to it's fullest potential. Using an Xbox just to play games and watch a movie now & then makes abou as much sence as using a Lamborghini Diablo for weekly runs down to the supermarket. It can do it just fine, but it's capable of so much more. Even all the way down to an Atari 2600, you can make it do more then it was originaly designed for, and thats NOT a bad thing.
Thats basicly it.
As for these kids and blacking mailing MS. Point taken, that was stupid, but in a way, it's understandable too. How else do you deal with a company that doesn't even bother to follow federal court rulings against them.
MS doesn't care about much. All they care about is market dominance in all markets they can get themselfs into. Control is the only way to do that. If they allowed a Linux (or ANY os for that matter) for Xbox, it would cause the collapse MS because everyone would be buying Xbox's instead of PC's, but no games (which is all they have off-set the tremendious loses involved in the sale of every xbox.).
In the end thou, don't let it concern you what people are doing with their Xbox's because the general fact is that the techie's make up only a small percentage of computer users out there now adays, and MS is not overly concerned with these hacks because they know most people arn't going to do it.
Sorry, but your "why would anyone want to do whatever because I don't, and I think it's stupid" is very counter productive and impairs advancement.
Just because whatever is designed and marketed with one specific purpose doesn't automaticly exclude any other suitable use.
Xbox was designed to be a gaming console. Yeah, basicly. In as much as if MicroSoft tried to market a PC, they would get slapped with another anti-trust lawsuit. Nor would marketing a PC make sence if you are trying to get into the game-console market.
Lets say I bought all the PC hardware & junk needed to build a killer game machine, have it load whatever OS, and auto-start a joypad controlled menu system to run whatever games I have installed on it. Put in a TV out card, pop-rivit the case closed, then sell it with only a Joypad and power cable. Does that automaticly mean that this machine should not be used for anything else?
Would we be having the same debate back in the early and mid 80's during the days of 800XL hacking?
"Hey, the Atari 800XL was meant to have 4 channel mono sound, 64k ram and use floppy drives. Why would anyone want to add a second Pokey or extra memory, or connect a Harddrive to it? You want more memory, buy a 130XE." Or even the more shocking bios replacements (like my UltraSpeed/OS). "My god, who would want faster IO speeds, or more accurate math, or convienent built in features. That's not what Atari intended."
And of course chainsaws were meant to cut up logs, not create ice sculptures, and so on and so fourth.
It's about using whatever you have to it's fullest potential. Using an Xbox just to play games and watch a movie now & then makes abou as much sence as using a Lamborghini Diablo for weekly runs down to the supermarket. It can do it just fine, but it's capable of so much more. Even all the way down to an Atari 2600, you can make it do more then it was originaly designed for, and thats NOT a bad thing.
Thats basicly it.
As for these kids and blacking mailing MS. Point taken, that was stupid, but in a way, it's understandable too. How else do you deal with a company that doesn't even bother to follow federal court rulings against them.
MS doesn't care about much. All they care about is market dominance in all markets they can get themselfs into. Control is the only way to do that. If they allowed a Linux (or ANY os for that matter) for Xbox, it would cause the collapse MS because everyone would be buying Xbox's instead of PC's, but no games (which is all they have off-set the tremendious loses involved in the sale of every xbox.).
In the end thou, don't let it concern you what people are doing with their Xbox's because the general fact is that the techie's make up only a small percentage of computer users out there now adays, and MS is not overly concerned with these hacks because they know most people arn't going to do it.
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Posted Tue Jul 1, 2003 2:58 AM
Let me know when they cram Linux on an NES cartridge and provide an NES keyboard add on and let me program some kind of language on my NES (Preferably BASIC) and I'll care.
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I forsee Linux on a GBA being more doable than an NES...
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Posted Tue Jul 1, 2003 5:49 AM
Why would someone pay 100k? Linux zealot possibly. Or someone who sees a real value in a $150 computer system that'll run things it takes a $500 system to match (especially once you start to look at clustering and multiply those numbers by 100x or more.) Or possibly someone who wants to break the hold on consoles. Or just maybe someone who is into hacking things. I dunno.
As I said before, Paladium is designed to lock your computer up in exactly the same way as consoles. It is even possible that the Xbox is using some of the Paladium features as a test of sorts (I don't know as I never looked into it.) Very dangerous stuff and the general public doesn't care. Not caring about what goes on around you because it doesn't affect you directly can have dire consequenses. It's too late to care after the fact when it does affect you directly.
As I said before, Paladium is designed to lock your computer up in exactly the same way as consoles. It is even possible that the Xbox is using some of the Paladium features as a test of sorts (I don't know as I never looked into it.) Very dangerous stuff and the general public doesn't care. Not caring about what goes on around you because it doesn't affect you directly can have dire consequenses. It's too late to care after the fact when it does affect you directly.
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