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[kisrael]

Dreamcast. The Saturn wa really nothing new.

[JB]

kisrael said:

Dreamcast. The Saturn wa really nothing new.

Saturn ANALOG pad, not Saturn digital pad.

[kisrael]

JB said:

kisrael said:

Dreamcast. The Saturn wa really nothing new.

Saturn ANALOG pad, not Saturn digital pad.

I know. When did it come out? After N64 reintroduced the analog stick, right? The DC at least had the VMU, which was really cool and new.

[JB]

kisrael said:

JB said:

kisrael said:

Dreamcast. The Saturn wa really nothing new.

Saturn ANALOG pad, not Saturn digital pad.

I know. When did it come out? After N64 reintroduced the analog stick, right? The DC at least had the VMU, which was really cool and new.

I don't believe so. The Saturn died in the US before hte N64 launched, if I recall.
I may be mistaken.

And the VMU is nothing more than a PocketStation knock-off, so how innovative is THAT?

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Not that innovation has anything to do with how good a controller is. Ask the majority of peole that used a Power Glove, U-Force, Activator, et cetera.

[kisrael]

JB said:

I don't believe so. The Saturn died in the US before hte N64 launched, if I recall.
I may be mistaken.

It would be interesting to find out for certain, I might have to change some of my viewpoints.

Was the analong control on this thing pretty much a normal analog stick?

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And the VMU is nothing more than a PocketStation knock-off, so how innovative is THAT?

Well, the VMU might not be as innovative as I thought, but I think having a screen built into the controller itself has a lot of potential that one plugged into the console itself doesn't. I mean, it's kind of like what Nintendo is doing with some GBA connectibity. (Not that that excites me that much either right now, but it could be the basis of some cool stuff)

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Not that innovation has anything to do with how good a controller is. Ask the majority of peole that used a Power Glove, U-Force, Activator, et cetera.

Well, there's good innovation, that which you'd like to see duplicated in other systems, gaspedal like shoulder triggers, analog sticks, rumble, small screens, and then there's bad innovation, that you hope rots in its landfill.

And, funnily enough, all the "innovations" you mentioned were variations on the same idea--"what people really want is to play games without touching them, so they don't get any tactile feedback and get really tired out and stuff"

[JB]

kisrael said:

JB said:

I don't believe so. The Saturn died in the US before hte N64 launched, if I recall.
I may be mistaken.

It would be interesting to find out for certain, I might have to change some of my viewpoints.

Was the analong control on this thing pretty much a normal analog stick?

It was more of a thumb-pad.
There was a hemisphere coming up, with the top 1/3 cut off to make a pad.
While functionally the same, it felt a lot nicer than a stick, IMNSHO.

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And the VMU is nothing more than a PocketStation knock-off, so how innovative is THAT?

Well, the VMU might not be as innovative as I thought, but I think having a screen built into the controller itself has a lot of potential that one plugged into the console itself doesn't. I mean, it's kind of like what Nintendo is doing with some GBA connectibity. (Not that that excites me that much either right now, but it could be the basis of some cool stuff)

Not that it was actually USED for anything more signifigant then watching little deformed versions of your characters dance.

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Not that innovation has anything to do with how good a controller is. Ask the majority of peole that used a Power Glove, U-Force, Activator, et cetera.

Well, there's good innovation, that which you'd like to see duplicated in other systems, gaspedal like shoulder triggers, analog sticks, rumble, small screens, and then there's bad innovation, that you hope rots in its landfill.

I think controllers with screens is a HORRIBLE idea, BTW. It has a few specialized applications, but for the most part serves no purpose but to distract you from the main screen where all the action is.

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And, funnily enough, all the "innovations" you mentioned were variations on the same idea--"what people really want is to play games without touching them, so they don't get any tactile feedback and get really tired out and stuff"

Actually, it was more along the lines of "people want to actually PUNCH at something instead of tapping the B button". Which is true to some extent.
Of course, the technology wasn't(and still isn't) there to make a viable VR controller for the general consumer.

Not to mention a typical failure to create a device that functioned as something other than a standard gamepad/joystick. The Power Glove had the capability to be more if I recall, but very few games were released for it.



And the Activator was just embarassing, as it became rather unintuitive for anything above the level of 4-way control and one button. Hardly the ultimate fighter controller it was marketed as.
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Though it's worth noting that the controller for Konami's Para Para Paradise(a music game in the same vein as DDR) is almost the exact same device, demonstrating my statement that while using them as a standard gamepad/joystick is foolish, they have potential to be something more.

[JagMX]

i really like the DC controller - but that Saturn 3D pad i use for almost every game i play on the saturn - saturn would take my vote

[liveinabin]

Yep, I'm for the Saturn as well. I don't know if it's just the kind of plastic it's made from but heck, if that isn't one comfortable controller.

[Agent X]

As I said before, I prefer the Saturn analog controller over the Dreamcast controller.

[Ze_ro]

chrisbid said:

since there was some constroversy over including two similar controllers in one slot, lets let the co-champs duke it out for a day or so

- Saturn 3D -vs- Dreamcast

I'm with you chrisbid... these are essentially the same, and regardless of what everyone else is saying, I think you were right to combine them for the sake of the tournament. I mean, if you had put the Saturn 3D pad seperate, then we'd have to have the Jag Pro Controller seperate, and the Coleco Super Action Controller, and the NES Max, and so on and so on.

I vote for a tie.

--Zero

[JB]

Ze_ro said:

chrisbid said:

since there was some constroversy over including two similar controllers in one slot, lets let the co-champs duke it out for a day or so

- Saturn 3D -vs- Dreamcast

I'm with you chrisbid... these are essentially the same, and regardless of what everyone else is saying, I think you were right to combine them for the sake of the tournament. I mean, if you had put the Saturn 3D pad seperate, then we'd have to have the Jag Pro Controller seperate, and the Coleco Super Action Controller, and the NES Max, and so on and so on.

I vote for a tie.

--Zero

They're less similar than the Saturn digital and Genesis 6-button pads are. And those were afforded seperate entries.

[Agent X]

JB said:

They're less similar than the Saturn digital and Genesis 6-button pads are.

I agree with this statement.

[chrisbid]

i think that the triggers on the saturn digital pad made it much different, and the feeling and shape of the two controllers were alot different.

in retrospect, i probably shouldve ditched the saturn 3D pad, but whatever the threads were fun, and we alll got to complain and praise and inflate our post count

[JB]

chrisbid said:

i think that the triggers on the saturn digital pad made it much different, and the feeling and shape of the two controllers were alot different.  

ONE trigger makes the controller entirely diffrent?
The L button was new. The R button was on the Genesis one, under the name Mode.
And a Saturn analog pad feels diffrent than a Dreamcast pad too.

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in retrospect, i probably shouldve ditched the saturn 3D pad, but whatever the threads were fun, and we alll got to complain and praise and inflate our post count

YES! Pointless bitching is what hte internet is all about!

[kisrael]

JB said:

YES! Pointless bitching is what hte internet is all about!

"This controller was, without a doubt, the worst controller ever. Rest assured, I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world."

[chrisbid]

werst..controller..evar....

[JB]

kisrael said:

JB said:

YES! Pointless bitching is what hte internet is all about!

"This controller was, without a doubt, the worst controller ever. Rest assured, I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world."

U R RONG!!!11111 UR MOTEHR IS FAT!1111

[Ze_ro]

Captain Kirk could kick Picard's ass!!

--Zero

[kisrael]

MICROSOFT SUCKS...

Oh wait....

hardly anyone disagrees.

Even the people who use Windows. Maybe especially the people who use windows...

[Hyper_Eye]

Dreamcast

kisrael said:

MICROSOFT SUCKS...

Oh wait....

hardly anyone disagrees.  

Even the people who use Windows. Maybe especially the people who use windows...

Windows sucks. Tis why I use Linux for most of my computing needs. XBox, on the otherhand, is quite nice so I have to give MS credit for that much at least.

[PuddWakkr]

This thread is going downhill pretty fast. All it needs to hit rock bottom is to have NE146 to come in and post a link to some megaman porn