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[raina]

Now it would seem like they generated the sounds by software. Because no way are they samples stored on the cart. Hardware and proto-people ahoy! Is there anything inside the Jag itself that could generate the sounds or is there any unfinished/open/cracked code that would sound like Rayman and give us an idea of what's happening.

[kevincal]

Alright so I decided to do a Rayman long play video series for Youtube, here is part 1

watch in 480p and if you see any skips in animation is from recording errors and not the game.



I have uploaded about 7 parts so far and there are 11 parts total.

Anyway, I also played some PS1 Rayman as well and decided to jot down the differences I see plus list some already well know differences. Bare with me this is gonna be a really long list.

On ebay you can find the PS1 version for $5 to $10, while the Jag version usually costs $25 to $50. Adv PS1

You need a memory card to save games on the PS1 version, or you can use a cumbersome password system. Adv Jag

Load times arent bad on the PS1 version but the Jag has no loading times. Adv Jag

Animation not quite as smooth on the PS1 version also possible missing some frames of animation the Jag version has. Adv Jag

A lot more 1 ups placed around the earlier levels in the PS1 version making it easier than Jag version. Adv. PS1

Fog effects and other effects are seen in the PS1 version not seen in the Jag version. Adv PS1

Sound louder and more crisp on PS1 version. Adv PS1

End of level animation, melody and yelling "YAA" is annoying in the PS1 version. Adv Jag

PS1 version has slightly lower graphics resolution than the Jag version and colors not as vibrant as Jag. Adv Jag

Control might be slightly more precise on PS1 but the smoothness of Jag version makes up for it. Tie

PS1 has more Rayman character animations. Adv PS1

Enemy AI may be less aggressive in PS1. Tie

protoons walk off screen when freed in PS1 version, in Jag they fly upward. Tie

mosquito flying level different, cant shoot in ps1 version but speeds up last longer. tie

Fairy says less to rayman in ps1 version tie

swamps level different name and has rain effects in background, already gave ps1 cred for more effects

more objects in ps1 background.

rayman walks faster in continue screen in ps1 vers

ray runs slides in band land and can also shrink. jut diff from jag version

ps1 rayman what i read has 2-3 levels or part of levels Jag is missing Adv PS1

sound effects and music differ in each version.

screen scrolling is smoother on jag, already gave it cred


So personally I think I like the Jag version better, has cleaner smoother and more colorful graphics, I prefer the music in the Jag version, and overall the Jag version feels more mellow and less obnoxious than the PS1 version.

But if we add up the results it looks like advantage 6 for ps1 version and advantage 5 for Jag. Basically there are differences between the games and the games are equally as good overall.

I think maybe what gives the PS1 the edge overall to a lot of people is the price though. Its just a much more affordable and easy to find version. Though I guess I could give the Jag version a point over PS version for reliability (cart vs cd)

PS I have seen slowdown in both version but its rare.

Edited by kevincal, Thu Nov 3, 2011 7:29 PM.

[syntexerror]

Wow very nice comparason you realy showed the in and outs in both versions nice work kevincal.Nice video aswell.I would have to go with the saturn version on this one as i have all 3 versions but i like to play the jaguar version as the fun factor.

Edited by syntexerror, Fri Nov 4, 2011 8:20 AM.

[kevincal]

thanks ya I'd like to play the Saturn version now, it's almost as expensive as the Jag version though.

[philipj]

When I saw this topic, it reminded me of this Youtube a saw sometime back.

[Willard]

wikipedia also has a nice comparison too, pretty much in line with much of what has been said, although I think it goes into a few more specifics in certain areas. It's really too bad that the Jaguar version is lacking some of those extra graphic details found in the playstation version, could've really been the difinitive version. As is, picking one over another is a bit of a tradeoff.

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Original Atari Jaguar version vs. CD-ROM versions
The Atari Jaguar version, which was the original version but eventually arrived a week later than the PlayStation one, features some unique/absent areas and absent gameplay mechanics compared to the (themselves largely identical) PC/PlayStation/Sega Saturn CD-ROM editions. For example, in Blue Mountains, the level Mr. Stone's Peaks is missing the second area entirely (where Rayman has to cut 2 ropes with his hair before a stone ceiling pushes him into the water). Also, in Picture City, the level Eraser Plains' third area has been changed to a completely different place, and one of the last bosses (Space Mama) is completely absent. The last world, Candy Chateau, was also largely restructured for the other versions. Rayman's ability to shrink (with the help of creatures called Flying Blue Elves), and to slide on bells in Band Land or ice in the Blue Mountains, were absent on the Jaguar, only being added in later versions. However, for both ports, there are some extra things, there is a pong minigame, Moskito shoots blue fireballs, bomb explosion have a glow-effect and smoke, and Mr. Skops' lava has glowing/smoke effect. Finally, since the Jaguar version was stored on a cartridge, not a CD, it featured considerably lower-quality music than the Red Book audio of the others, which also received similarly enhanced sound effects. The Jaguar version of the game is considered to be a console pusher due the use of the power of the console, and is considered one of the best games on the system.

[kevincal]

Even though the Jags music may be lower quality it still sounds great and myself and others think its more fitting to the game than the cd soundtrack. I dont see the cd soundtrack as an advantage I see it more as a difference. though overall the jag sound output is a bit too low compared to the cd. so cd gets the edge overall of obvious reasons. I still prefer the jag sounds and music though I especially do not like the end of level celebration and yelling on the ps and saturn versions. it seems so out of place and annoying, even the little laugh he does is :/

[kevincal]

I'm up to part 11 with more parts on the way.

[onlysublime]

what's your recording device? you seem to have an interlacing issue (maybe you should pick bottom field?). also, there seems to be a framerate conversion going on.

but always great to see Rayman in action. Rayman was the game I used to show off the Jag. NBA Jam TE as well. My non-Atari friends thought T2K was a little too weird and AvP was too slow (agree on the horrible AvP 10-15 fps framerate).

[Austin]

onlysublime, on Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:25 PM, said:

but always great to see Rayman in action. Rayman was the game I used to show off the Jag. NBA Jam TE as well. My non-Atari friends thought T2K was a little too weird and AvP was too slow (agree on the horrible AvP 10-15 fps framerate).

Likewise. I actually introduced a buddy to the Jaguar last week through a two-player game of NBA JAM T.E., and he was like, "woah, this is pretty sweet!".

[kevincal]

onlysublime, on Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:25 PM, said:

what's your recording device? you seem to have an interlacing issue (maybe you should pick bottom field?). also, there seems to be a framerate conversion going on.

but always great to see Rayman in action. Rayman was the game I used to show off the Jag. NBA Jam TE as well. My non-Atari friends thought T2K was a little too weird and AvP was too slow (agree on the horrible AvP 10-15 fps framerate).

Ya I dont have the best recording setup. It helps the quality noticeably if you watch the video on youtube in 480p. Seems lower quality on atari age. I have an old capture card installed in my pc and it has some kind of noise lines going on in the graphics, prolly because I have it installed next to something I shouldnt. Also its an old capture card. Atleast it takes S video though.

It must be said though, take a look at most Rayman Jaguar youtube videos and 90% of them are poorer quality than mine. Most are videos of rayman emulated on the Jag with very poor framerate and horrible sound issues! Overall I find my vids to be good enough quality. I even added a bit of brightness and color saturation to enhance the look of the graphics just a touch. The colors really come alive in Jag Rayman

And yes every now and then there is a bit of skip in framerate but nothing too serious. Ya T2K to people new to the game, have no idea what is going on onscreen lol. And ya AvP hasnt aged too well with the low framerate graphics and non linear time consuming gameplay. Rayman has aged beautifully though.